New Ferrari Super Enzo ??

[chest3r]

I don't know where to put this exactly :?

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[twboy1999]

thanx for the article

good read

[TT]

I don't know where to put this exactly :?
..

The scans or Ferrari section would have been both good ;)

[|Nuno|]

:shock: Holy Shit! I hope this is true. Could this be the F60 that i've heard so many times?

I specially like this part: "Ferraris best minds are turning to one of the most amazing projects that will ever be developed at Maranello" :mrgreen:

Obrigado pelos scans chest3r! :D

[Anonymous]

:shock: Holy Shit! I hope this is true. Could this be the F60 that i've heard so many times?


Actually i believe the official name for the Enzo is the F60 (clarkson for sure kept referring to it as such... somebody correct me if i'm worng??

[antonioledesma]

thanks for the article, but a little big :D you can see the printing dots

[|Nuno|]

:shock: Holy Shit! I hope this is true. Could this be the F60 that i've heard so many times?


Actually i believe the official name for the Enzo is the F60 (clarkson for sure kept referring to it as such... somebody correct me if i'm worng??

Nope. The official name is Enzo. F60 was just a rumour. Most people assumed: F40->F50->F60. Ferrari only makes 60 years in 2007. :wink:

That's why many say the next supercar will be called F60.

[sikx5]

:shock: Holy Shit! I hope this is true. Could this be the F60 that i've heard so many times?


Actually i believe the official name for the Enzo is the F60 (clarkson for sure kept referring to it as such... somebody correct me if i'm worng??

I remember clarkson refering the Enzo as F60 also, but it was built to commemorate Enzo Ferrari, Not the 60th Year of Ferrari. I was suprised clarkson was calling it the F60 too....someone correct me if its wrong cause i thought it was Enzo Ferrari.

[gucom]

Actually i believe the official name for the Enzo is the F60 (clarkson for sure kept referring to it as such... somebody correct me if i'm worng??

u r wrong...official name: Ferrari Enzo Ferrari
project name: Ferrari FX
name given by press before real name was known: F60
reason why JC kept callin it F60: he can be a f00l when it comes to cars (really he can: he also said the F40 was the only car to do 0-60 in 3.2 secs, but thats the McLaren F1s time, the F40 does 3.9 or 3.8 (im not sure). And he said the F40 was the lightest of the cars they tested in that episode, which also wasnt true: F40: 1200 kg's, F1: 1140 kg's

dunno why but in that 1 episode JC got all of his facts mixed up

[chest3r]

I don't know where to put this exactly :?
..

The scans or Ferrari section would have been both good ;)

Ups I forgot the Ferrri Section :roll: Sorry :oops:

I hope this would be the greatest supercar ever made. One more proof of what Ferrari can do, and what they have been learning with the F1 team.

I think this car would be much better than the Bugatti Veyron ( if anyone of them would be produced ). Ferrari will teach Bugatti how to made cars :P :P


I don't understand why Clarkson keeps calling F60 to the Enzo. I think F60 was the name of the project and then they decided to call it Enzo, because of Enzo Ferrari. I'm I right ???

[|Nuno|]

Actually i believe the official name for the Enzo is the F60 (clarkson for sure kept referring to it as such... somebody correct me if i'm worng??

u r wrong...official name: Ferrari Enzo Ferrari
project name: Ferrari FX
name given by press before real name was known: F60
reason why JC kept callin it F60: he can be a f00l when it comes to cars (really he can: he also said the F40 was the only car to do 0-60 in 3.2 secs, but thats the McLaren F1s time, the F40 does 3.9 or 3.8 (im not sure). And he said the F40 was the lightest of the cars they tested in that episode, which also wasnt true: F40: 1200 kg's, F1: 1140 kg's

dunno why but in that 1 episode JC got all of his facts mixed up

Yeah i forgot about the "other" Ferrari. They (the press) also called it F140 alot; F140 is the name of the engine btw.

The 3.8~3.9 seems about right, i've seen a lot different times tough, depending on the tyres, etc...

I guess you can't trust Clarckson when it comes to numbers. :)

[Mopsdrops]

nice !!! very nice !!! thanks for this great article . I hope so much it will come out, another perfect ferrari :D thx

[chest3r]

Gucom I think you're right. :D

I didn't know if F60 was the real name of the project or just the name given by press.


I didn't saw your post because I was righting mine while you were righting yourse. Sorry!

[Pimp Racer]

Nice I think I am actually kinda liking the new design! :D I hope it turns out to be pretty damn good! I wanna see one zoom by on the streets! :D

[cooperluke]

Well, well....

And Porsche's answer to this?

I think someone should "unleash" the 962 Dauer Le Mans... :twisted: :twisted:

[ice]

Actually i believe the official name for the Enzo is the F60 (clarkson for sure kept referring to it as such... somebody correct me if i'm worng??

u r wrong...official name: Ferrari Enzo Ferrari
project name: Ferrari FX
name given by press before real name was known: F60
reason why JC kept callin it F60: he can be a f00l when it comes to cars (really he can: he also said the F40 was the only car to do 0-60 in 3.2 secs, but thats the McLaren F1s time, the F40 does 3.9 or 3.8 (im not sure). And he said the F40 was the lightest of the cars they tested in that episode, which also wasnt true: F40: 1200 kg's, F1: 1140 kg's

dunno why but in that 1 episode JC got all of his facts mixed up

Actually, it depends on the source, the F40's weight can be as low as 1125 kg's, and ive seen as high as 1240kg for the Mac. Also, the F40 will do 0-60 in 3.4, ive never seen 3.2 either, but 3.8 or .9 is far too long. Remember, it still sets an 11.6 in the quarter mile.

[antonioledesma]

Nice I think I am actually kinda liking the new design! :D I hope it turns out to be pretty damn good! I wanna see one zoom by on the streets! :D

just have in mind that image is photochopped and it's from the imagination of one of the guys of that mag

[666fast]

Thats pretty cool, thanks for the article. I'm very curious to see this "active bodywork". The airbrake/spoiler deal on the SLR is obvious, but I wanna see how the front splitter and such will change with the conditions.
Pretty cool, only thing that sucks is it'll be years before we see anything or have solid facts about the car.
Screw the three seater idea, two people is enough! LOL

[Pimp Racer]

Nice I think I am actually kinda liking the new design! :D I hope it turns out to be pretty damn good! I wanna see one zoom by on the streets! :D

just have in mind that image is photochopped and it's from the imagination of one of the guys of that mag
Yeah but it would be awesome if they did make it right? I have a feeling they might because rember that new Zonda thats a Enzo killer? And I bet/hope Porsche and Lamborghini will be up to compete with newer and improved cars. Or hell just have their existing top of the line model improved. They should go to desial (SP?) Rember the insance amount of tourqe you would be getting?

[mindgam3]

the pictures only autocar's impression of what it will look like..... the final product wont necessarily look anything like that....

And if you turn to the front of autocar, you'll see the BMW M9 supercar that this will probably have to compete with..... hopefully including a 700hp V10 based on the current williams F1 engine

[ikon2003]

thanks for scanning that article - interesting read. tho i must say, i think that's a bit of a stretch for credible automotive journalism. speculating on something that far in the future and putting in a "computer generaged" image of what the car might look like (ie: a poor chop job of an enzo w/ the F430's lights and a tweaked nose) does not exude credibility. a bit of fantasy journalism, when they could really be covering any one of the more current supercars which are emerging onto the market, IMO.

nonetheless, nice info on the seating arrangements, and active suspension/steering/aero etc.

[PATo355]

Yes this is the new f60 , the enzo was project FX as stated upstairs , the computer generated image sucks , i bet it wont look near that .

[JiggaStyles09]

wow definitly an interesting article. thanks for the scan. nice to hear information on what their enzo successor could be like, it was certain that ferrari wouldnt just rest on the enzo. with koenigseggs and saleen S7s running around with over 700/800 hp threatining the enzo's title :P

[Anonymous]

Actually i believe the official name for the Enzo is the F60 (clarkson for sure kept referring to it as such... somebody correct me if i'm worng??

u r wrong...official name: Ferrari Enzo Ferrari
project name: Ferrari FX
name given by press before real name was known: F60
reason why JC kept callin it F60: he can be a f00l when it comes to cars (really he can: he also said the F40 was the only car to do 0-60 in 3.2 secs, but thats the McLaren F1s time, the F40 does 3.9 or 3.8 (im not sure). And he said the F40 was the lightest of the cars they tested in that episode, which also wasnt true: F40: 1200 kg's, F1: 1140 kg's

dunno why but in that 1 episode JC got all of his facts mixed up

LOL well i though i might be, does seem strange that such a big show would repeatately refer to a car wrongly :? don't know what happened that day with the script!!! :lol:

[bmagni]

Looks intresting though im a little sceptic, the Enzo has just gotten off the production lines with the 400th, and investment in a new enzo might be quite big, not that ferrari doesnt have the money but its quite soon to release a new Enzo, i dont doubt they are just developing it, but i give it 5 more years or more


Actually i believe the official name for the Enzo is the F60 (clarkson for sure kept referring to it as such... somebody correct me if i'm worng??

u r wrong...official name: Ferrari Enzo Ferrari
project name: Ferrari FX
name given by press before real name was known: F60
reason why JC kept callin it F60: he can be a f00l when it comes to cars (really he can: he also said the F40 was the only car to do 0-60 in 3.2 secs, but thats the McLaren F1s time, the F40 does 3.9 or 3.8 (im not sure). And he said the F40 was the lightest of the cars they tested in that episode, which also wasnt true: F40: 1200 kg's, F1: 1140 kg's

dunno why but in that 1 episode JC got all of his facts mixed up

LOL well i though i might be, does seem strange that such a big show would repeatately refer to a car wrongly :? don't know what happened that day with the script!!! :lol:

When u drive an enzo u forget about everything else.

[jp_amaral]

I don't believe it!!! I think this is very unrealistic, at least considering ferrari's behaviour over the past years. Ferrari is a company who always had customers as first priority, they were never focused on sales numbers (at least that's what LM said) so it's hard for me to believe this story, especially considering that enzo owners are considered ferrari's best clients.

[jp_amaral]

It's strange coming from a guy (Hilton Holloway) who works for EVO for example. Very strange!!!! :?

[mindgam3]

It's not necessarily a "new" enzo, its just ferrari's progression of the supercar, the succedor to the F50 if you will

[raphaelws]

I really think.. this is the F60..
in around 800 bhp 8)

[racer_f50]

looks like they took an Enzo as a base and then made it ugly :(
i really really hope its just an unofficial cg render like it says in the caption, cuz thats one nose that i could never learn to like. it just looks fucked up.
even if its faster than snot (which the Enzo already is), i dont think i could truly love it with those looks.

[DeMoN]

:shock: Holy Shit! I hope this is true. Could this be the F60 that i've heard so many times?


Actually i believe the official name for the Enzo is the F60 (clarkson for sure kept referring to it as such... somebody correct me if i'm worng??

Nope. The official name is Enzo. F60 was just a rumour. Most people assumed: F40->F50->F60. Ferrari only makes 60 years in 2007. :wink:

That's why many say the next supercar will be called F60.

Well about 2007 thats what I thought. In that article, they show that the F50 was released 1995 so what happened then? If this follows through then 1997 should have been the year the F50 should have been released.

[dons5]

I knew about this idea for a long time but to finally read such extensive stuff about it makes me shiver :D

[detltu6]

:shock: Holy Shit! I hope this is true. Could this be the F60 that i've heard so many times?


Actually i believe the official name for the Enzo is the F60 (clarkson for sure kept referring to it as such... somebody correct me if i'm worng??

Nope. The official name is Enzo. F60 was just a rumour. Most people assumed: F40->F50->F60. Ferrari only makes 60 years in 2007. :wink:

That's why many say the next supercar will be called F60.

Well about 2007 thats what I thought. In that article, they show that the F50 was released 1995 so what happened then? If this follows through then 1997 should have been the year the F50 should have been released.

The 288 GTO began in 84 and ended about 85
The F40 run began two years later in 87 and finished in 92.
The F50 came 3 years later in 95 and ran till 97.
The Enzo began five years later in 02 and ran through about 2004
The F60 could start in three years later in 07 and run for a few years.

Ferrari is one of the only companys to make money off of their supercars and they sell just as many as they want. I don't expect them to go very long without a supercar in their lineup.

[mv]

Who says that this is the new f60 is right...Expect a 800+hp JTS UniAir V12.

[23790554]

i wonder how much this car will be? since Enzo is selling second hand at 1.3 mill US

[mv]

i wonder how much this car will be? since Enzo is selling second hand at 1.3 mill US

If the USD keeps going down in a similar way the f60 will cost roughly 5 mil. :)

[mv]

tnanks for th scans. autocar is pretty lucky to have this story.

Well they are the first to come up with a F60 scoop but it contains just pure speculations and a few indirect hints.

[ikon2003]

i wonder how much this car will be? since Enzo is selling second hand at 1.3 mill US

If the USD keeps going down in a similar way the f60 will cost roughly 5 mil. :)

Pends on how many ferrari makes too, and what sort of contractual agreement they make with the buyers. Breaking the $1mil MSRP would be pretty big tho - I have doubts it would go that high, but w/ the demand of the Enzo experienced around the world, I would guess it's possible.

[mv]

i wonder how much this car will be? since Enzo is selling second hand at 1.3 mill US

If the USD keeps going down in a similar way the f60 will cost roughly 5 mil. :)

Pends on how many ferrari makes too, and what sort of contractual agreement they make with the buyers. Breaking the $1mil MSRP would be pretty big tho - I have doubts it would go that high, but w/ the demand of the Enzo experienced around the world, I would guess it's possible.

I find it possible as well...even if they set it that high there would be no issues with a lack of demand.

[szumszer]

is this finally the ferrari that will be able to be beat mclaren f1 ... finally, sounds interesting, but it is all just speculations

[ikon2003]

^honestly, i think they could have done it w/ the enzo if they wanted to, but they made the conscious decsion to not go down that path. it would be a nice lil occurence tho - ferrari, top speed record holder. has quite a good ring to it. and besides, if they ever get tired of winning F1, they could resort to this.

[Blip]

thanks for the scan chest3r. Can we please have one with higher resolution so we can read the text.

As excited as i am for this future car, doesn't it seem wierd how Ferrari is becoming so active in the last few years. I though the MC12 was supposed to be a super Enzo for Lemans. Whats this one for ? Don't really see the point of building it becos as usual they will not try to beat the Mclaren F1 speed records.

[|Nuno|]

^^ Records aren't everything...

[cho_888]

wow this was certainly unexpected!! But never the less it is very good news, cannot wait to see how this car developes

[HoboPie]

thanks for the scan chest3r. Can we please have one with higher resolution so we can read the text.

As excited as i am for this future car, doesn't it seem wierd how Ferrari is becoming so active in the last few years. I though the MC12 was supposed to be a super Enzo for Lemans. Whats this one for ? Don't really see the point of building it becos as usual they will not try to beat the Mclaren F1 speed records.

They know how to make a car that they consider better than the Enzo..... so they are going to make it. Not really odd to me.

[mv]

Don't really see the point of building it becos as usual they will not try to beat the Mclaren F1 speed records.

What about money?..They are definitely not bound to make loss so at least development of new gadgetry which is then used in their regular cars gets paid.

[|Nuno|]

**Updated info:**

Saw this on Ferrarichat:

An email from someone within the Ferrari organisation

"Super Enzo.

833 HP
fixed front and rear wing
one seat
non homologated (just for track use)
interior entirely in carbon , (no leather, not even the seat)
extremely low production
expected in end 2006."
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Not sure if I believe this, but still I want it to be true.

Also, see how different this is from the magazine article? Odd... Or maybe Ferrari is just messing with the media, and in the end this "Super Enzo" or whatever it will be called won't be quite what we're expecting...

[SFDMALEX]

is this finally the ferrari that will be able to be beat mclaren f1 ... finally, sounds interesting, but it is all just speculations

The macca is already beaten by the CGT and Enzo as far as performance goes. And Ferrari is just to much of classy manufacturer to try to beat someones speed record :roll:

[komotar]

I want this to be true, but I doubt it.

The mclaren record doesn't interest me. Ferraris are not about records. They are about passion, speed and elegance. And I wouldn't care if the next enzo ow whatever would have "only" 500 hp. As long as the car would handle great and look good, that's all I need. The crazy hp war gets on my nerves.

[mindgam3]

McLaren have almost exactly the same philosophy as ferrari though... they made a car that was all about on road driving experience, not records, a record was just a by-product of arguarbly the greatest car ever.

For me the enzo is a little too track biased - even at the Nordschliefe it grounds out on some corners - but as you say komotar, its not about power, its about the whole package; something that Bugatti fail to realise designing their pig of a car :P

As long as Ferrari keep their philosophy but perhaps make it more of a road biased car than track then I think they're on to a winner - to be honest I can't see ferrari getting it wrong like Bugatti :P

[davide]

that's just plain insane! :D

[chest3r]

**Updated info:**

non homologated (just for track use)

:x :x :x :x :x Too bad :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

Is there other Ferrari with no homologation ????

[|Nuno|]

**Updated info:**

non homologated (just for track use)

:x :x :x :x :x Too bad :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

Is there other Ferrari with no homologation ????

Lots of them aren't homologated. If that info is true, I think the concept will be similar to the 288 GTO Evoluzione or the F40 GTE.

[RAMMIUS]

Enzo it`s the greatest car ever made , there isn`t a car that can get close to the great Enzo , it has the best aerodinamics , the best handling , gearbox , brakes , electronics , awesome grip , and is the most beautiful car in the world .

Compare this with that no good car named McL , who has dive , squat and roll , it`s very unstable at high speeds and the list could go on and on.

[dingo]

Enzo it`s the greatest car ever made , there isn`t a car that can get close to the great Enzo , it has the best aerodinamics , the best handling , gearbox , brakes , electronics , awesome grip , and is the most beautiful car in the world .

Compare this with that no good car named McL , who has dive , squat and roll , it`s very unstable at high speeds and the list could go on and on.

do you have any facts to back that up? :roll:

[|Nuno|]

^^

Guys, lets not turn this into another Enzo vs. McLaren battle, okay? :)

[dingo]

^^

Guys, lets not turn this into another Enzo vs. McLaren battle, okay? :)

I wasn't necassarily disagreeing with him as I am not really a fan of the McLaren myself - but I don't like when people make claims without facts (i.e. it has the best this and that, and the other one is crap blah blah...) :wink:

[RAMMIUS]

Enzo it`s the greatest car ever made , there isn`t a car that can get close to the great Enzo , it has the best aerodinamics , the best handling , gearbox , brakes , electronics , awesome grip , and is the most beautiful car in the world .

Compare this with that no good car named McL , who has dive , squat and roll , it`s very unstable at high speeds and the list could go on and on.

do you have any facts to back that up? :roll:

Man are you kiddin` me ? You`re on Jabba`s read the article about McL (i think it`s the caranddriver article , where they something interesting about the engine) , watch the video with McL on track , you`ll see the dive , roll & squat.

And then read ALL the articles about Enzo

CarAndDriver , verdict about Enzo :
If this isn`t your dream car , you`re having the wrong dream !

And i`m sure you`ll find more like that .

:D

[|Nuno|]

^^

Guys, lets not turn this into another Enzo vs. McLaren battle, okay? :)

I wasn't necassarily disagreeing with him as I am not really a fan of the McLaren myself - but I don't like when people make claims without facts (i.e. it has the best this and that, and the other one is crap blah blah...) :wink:

Fair enough, but it's just that I've seen way too many Enzo vs. McLaren battles starting with smaller things, that's all. :D

Besides, the thread title is "New Ferrari Super Enzo" so... :)

[gucom]

Enzo it`s the greatest car ever made , there isn`t a car that can get close to the great Enzo , it has the best aerodinamics , the best handling , gearbox , brakes , electronics , awesome grip , and is the most beautiful car in the world .

Compare this with that no good car named McL , who has dive , squat and roll , it`s very unstable at high speeds and the list could go on and on.

do you have any facts to back that up? :roll:

Man are you kiddin` me ? You`re on Jabba`s read the article about McL (i think it`s the caranddriver article , where they something interesting about the engine) , watch the video with McL on track , you`ll see the dive , roll & squat.

And then read ALL the articles about Enzo

CarAndDriver , verdict about Enzo :
If this isn`t your dream car , you`re having the wrong dream !

And i`m sure you`ll find more like that .

:D
OK ignoring the fact that u bumped this topic, lets see:
-u failed to mention the enzo's engine, prolly cos u know the best engine ever is lined in gold :P
-Best aerodynamics? erm if im not mistaken the Carrera GT has EXCELLENT aerodynamics, and an insane G number at the skidpad of Sport Auto, and sum other mag tested CGT, Enzo and some more cars on nardo (ofcourse Enzo won that) but they also tested the cars on a twisty circuit...CGT was clearly faster
-Best handling...i'm yet to see an Enzo time on the Nordschleife (in standard trim plz)
-Best gearbox? those DSG boxes seem to be pretty sweet as well. Also dont forget the clutch plz: CGT's ceramic clutch is a masterpiece :D
-Best brakes? who knows i dunno how it compares to, say, the CGT
-Best grip...well if CGT beats it around a twisty circuit wid lower HP im guessing it'll be better grip thats giving it the edge eh?
-Most beautiful? well thats ofcourse personal, at first i thought it was the ugliest car ever made, once i got over the shock i got to see whats pretty about it...but THE most beautiful car in the world? nope...not to me

[bmagni]

thats the enzo budagboy posted about, now we know what it is, i just cant figure out why are they testing in it... and yes they did more than 399 enzos, +1 for charity to the tsunami victims

[komotar]

well, even the enzo will someday be replaced....

not soon, but I putting a car like the enzo together takes
alot of work and I wouldn't suprised if they started the work early...

Those whor read the CAR article about trying to beat Villeneueve's time from Monaco to Maranello with the Enzo, in the end they mention the next "enzo" being in early development and one of the Ferrari guys says that : Quote: " Ferrari has never named a car after one of its drivers..." :twisted:

[styla21]

I always thought Enzo WAS the F60? :?

[JiggaStyles09]

I always thought Enzo WAS the F60? :?

i also thought that. this would be the F70 i think or if its the same body then maybe the F65??
no, i am pretty sure the F40 and F50 were made to celebrate the 40th and 50th anniversary of ferrari, like dani_d_mas was saying. at least thats what i have heard, so the F60 would be the correct term for this new supercar/super enzo concept, as it would be ferrari's 60th anniversary. :D

[mv]

The pics show either a GT version of the enzo (a few pieces to be built , allegedly 833hp, 950kg, not a street legal car though ) or an early test mule of the F60.