C6 Zo6 Febtober automobile

[nthfinity]

this is my first magazine 'scan' with my digital camera... looks like its quite good enough to read... nice to see the feb issue i recieved in the mail earlier today before i see the car at NAIAS ;)
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[JiggaStyles09]

nice info thanks for the article. whats with the hill and petrucci chem book there. i had to use that book last summer in college for general chem lol. brought back horrible memories. :lol:

[nthfinity]

nice info thanks for the article. whats with the hill and petrucci chem book there. i had to use that book last summer in college for general chem lol. brought back horrible memories. :lol:
lmao about the gen chem books

those were from my freshmen year, and went 'out of date' the following semester, were 'unreturnable' :(

so, no story short, they were readily available to make the pages for the magazine more flat :)

[ikon2003]

Nice scan - thanks. Looks to be one really fast car. Lets hope oil prices are aight for that hungry 7 L engine.... (tho i'm sure that's not an issue for an owner of that car)

[ferrarif1fan89]

7 ltres? thats mad! that promises to be one fast car. still wouldnt buy it though. its a chevy.........

[crazidude]

I'm really looking forward to seeing how this car will perform. I have a feeling that it'll destroy the Viper coupe in many tests, and it looks better in my opinion.

7 ltres? thats mad! that promises to be one fast car. still wouldnt buy it though. its a chevy.........

That's a pretty narrow minded thought, but that opinion is share among a lot of people for some reason.

[ikon2003]

^you get what you pay for. plastic, flexible body panels don't exude quality.

for many, the vette is that quintessential sign of the american man's waning masculinity and entry into pot-bellies and impotence.

i think they're trying to change that with these latest models, and be real performance machines that can compete w/ euro likeness, but we'll see.

[crazidude]

Well the Z06, C6 and the current Viper has proved that they can perform as well as any other car within its price range. The Viper could probably do a lot better, but the C6 is one damned fast car. I'm interested to see how the new Z06 fairs against the 430 and the Gallardo. It might not beat it, but it's gonna be close I would assume.

[ikon2003]

^depends how many corners are in the race :D :D

[mv]

Well the Z06, C6 and the current Viper has proved that they can perform as well as any other car within its price range. The Viper could probably do a lot better, but the C6 is one damned fast car. I'm interested to see how the new Z06 fairs against the 430 and the Gallardo. It might not beat it, but it's gonna be close I would assume.

And the Z06 costs half the price of a F430 or a Gallardo!!! :D

You guys are definitely not the only ones looking forward to this struggle :) .
I also agree in terms that the Z06 is gonna come close but F430's sales still remain unthreatened.

[nthfinity]

^^^^
i agree 100%
there are those who care about thier performance, thier performance dollar.... and others yet who care about thier image.
its sounds way more important saying

"in my Ferrari :twisted: " as opposed to "in my "Chevrolet :oops: "

[inso]

http://automobilemag.com/photo_gallery/sports_cars/0502_dodge_viper_corvette_zo6/index1.html
some hi-res pictures of the same car. Looks really good.

[RC45]

^you get what you pay for. plastic, flexible body panels don't exude quality.


WTF are you rambling about?

Quite ignorant of a so called "auto enthusiast" to make such a stupid comment. The Corvette has been made of fibreglass rom day one - in 1953 - That' why it has always been a light car.

ikon - 0 : car enthusiasts - 1


for many, the vette is that quintessential sign of the american man's waning masculinity and entry into pot-bellies and impotence.

The car has been made since 1953 - and been selling ever since - sometimes many, somtimes fewer models - but has always been a fast, decent handling car for the era it has been on sale in.
And SHOCK, GASP, HORROR has been bought by young, old and race teams for the past 50 years.

ikon - 0 : car enthusiasts - 2


i think they're trying to change that with these latest models, and be real performance machines that can compete w/ euro likeness, but we'll see.
Do you know anythign about the history or background of ANY car on the planet?

Do your self a favour and read a book once in a while - maybe then you would realize that this car is the longest selling/made performance car in the history of autos.

That's right - NO other single model perfomance car has been on sale for 50+ years.

None.

So trying to make it sound like the car needs/has/is uder going a target market change is incorrect.

ikon - 0 : car enthusiasts - 3

^depends how many corners are in the race :D :D

Why? The current Z06 out handles the 360 and the 360CS - the new one ill do the same to the F430 and the CS.. :P

Nurburgring times are important - right? ;)

ikon - 0 : car enthusiasts - 4

Looks like you have no car knowledge.

WHy then should anyone even read your posts? :roll:

[godspeed06]

and it will get the best gas mileage of any car with its performance figures

[astonmartinandy]

Why? The current Z06 out handles the 360 and the 360CS - the new one ill do the same to the F430 and the CS.. :P



On what basis does do you mean that the ZO6 out handles the 360 & 360CS?

I haven't driven any of them so I cannot offer any first hand experience, but from what I have read [fromt those who have] the 360CS is a far more engaging drive than a ZO6..

[RC45]

Why? The current Z06 out handles the 360 and the 360CS - the new one ill do the same to the F430 and the CS.. :P



On what basis does do you mean that the ZO6 out handles the 360 & 360CS?

I haven't driven any of them so I cannot offer any first hand experience, but from what I have read [fromt those who have] the 360CS is a far more engaging drive than a ZO6..

Simple - Nurburgring lap times - as well as pure specs on paper.

I am so sick and tired of the fact that all the people seem to think that Ferrari and Porsche are the only decent performing cars on earth.

The Z06 hands the 360 it's arse on a platter - this is obvious and well known - and it matches the 360CS toe to toe.

Why do you think the F430 was created? To offer the Ferrari buyer aacar that stands a chance against the Yank (the Z06 and the German (the P911 GT3 etc) - sadly the F430 is abotu to be eclipsed by the new Porsche and Z06 - yet again.

[astonmartinandy]

Why? The current Z06 out handles the 360 and the 360CS - the new one ill do the same to the F430 and the CS.. :P



On what basis does do you mean that the ZO6 out handles the 360 & 360CS?

I haven't driven any of them so I cannot offer any first hand experience, but from what I have read [fromt those who have] the 360CS is a far more engaging drive than a ZO6..

Simple - Nurburgring lap times - as well as pure specs on paper.

I am so sick and tired of the fact that all the people seem to think that Ferrari and Porsche are the only decent performing cars on earth.

The Z06 hands the 360 it's arse on a platter - this is obvious and well known - and it matches the 360CS toe to toe.

Why do you think the F430 was created? To offer the Ferrari buyer aacar that stands a chance against the Yank (the Z06 and the German (the P911 GT3 etc) - sadly the F430 is abotu to be eclipsed by the new Porsche and Z06 - yet again.

First off, I don't think that the 'only decent' performing cars on earth are Ferraris or Porsches. Having said that, as much of an "American Legend" that the 'Vette is, Ferrari and Porsche have been building their racing heritages for just as long.. and the road cars that they produce are both awe inspiring in terms of design and performance, but also because of their racing pedigree.

To be honest I don't think the ZO6 was even considered when they were creating the F430 - the Gallardo and 911 were. The ZO6 is in a different market; yes it is still a sports car, but it lacks their exclusivity and dynamic polish. You just don't see a mass produced Ferrari the same way you would a Daewoo/Chevrolet, and that stains the appeal of a Corvette for me.

Granted you will always be able to argue the 'working class hero' card and talk about bang per buck, and how much cheaper it is.. but it shows. Both in terms of how many Corvettes on the road, and in terms of just the ambience inside the car.

I imagine you'll now go on about how much better the ZO6 in specs or lap times etc, but I don't think that the Corvette will ever have that spine tingling appeal that a Ferrari or Porsche does

[RC45]

I imagine you'll now go on about how much better the ZO6 in specs or lap times etc, but I don't think that the Corvette will ever have that spine tingling appeal that a Ferrari or Porsche does

No need to - besides, in real terms, they produced almost the same number of 360's as Z06's... makes one think about which is the mass produced status symbol, and which is the true sports car.

[raven1822]

They had about 5 of the new ZO6's at this years Mid Ohio ALMS race. The car was very impressive in person. I would have to consider one on price vs. performance alone. Many of GM exec. were at the race since Mid Ohio is considered GM's home race for the C6R's, a lady in the audience asked them how the new Z06 would stack up against the Viper. The Exec said that for an overall package the the Viper was not the target . . . the Ford GT, 430, and 911GT2 were the targets.

[godspeed06]

the only way the viper would have been comparable was if the new coupe version got the bump to over 600 hp like most of the viper enthusiasts were hoping for weeks ago. it did not. the z06 will most likely not have a problem with the viper. though the car hasnt been tested yet, from what we know i dont think those target cars are out of its reach. people can talk about how spectacular and invigorating and all that bullshit driving a ferrari is... people talk about them like each car comes with its own soul :roll:. all i can tell you is this, you can bash the z06 for being a chevy, but im sure the grins on all the owners faces are just as big as the ones on the ferrari owners faces...

[inso]

http://www.motorworld.net/forum/showthread.php?t=23426&highlight=z06 this is what you guys should read. Vette is back with a BANG. Well it is easy to get 500hp from the base 6liter model, just look at lingenfelter´s site. Think how much can be gained from the new 7liter, i guess easy 650hp. And since everything else has also been bettered from C6, this car will kick some major ass. Too bad it is not sold over here, I might know one owner for one, if it were.

[astonmartinandy]

..people can talk about how spectacular and invigorating and all that bullshit driving a ferrari is... people talk about them like each car comes with its own soul :roll:. all i can tell you is this, you can bash the z06 for being a chevy, but im sure the grins on all the owners faces are just as big as the ones on the ferrari owners faces...

Sorry but I for one would have a much larger smile on my face waking up to a Ferrari than a Chevrolet. :roll:

As for the soul of a car, "and all that bullshit" as you so eloquently phrase it, I believe that these marques do have something special that isn't there on mass produced machinery.. but hey, maybe i'm wrong.

[inso]

astonmartinandy, check the numbers posted here previously, 360 is quite massproduced car. not so special. F430 is very stylish inside, but bang for a buck, you know where to turn. It is not wise to compare these cars anyway, price is so far apart. My mate traded his M3 cab for C6, and seems really happy for his choice. Says that the feel good factor is bigger. I would buy Chevy everytime if i were to choose, just because it would be so much easier to get parts and cheaper, and anyone can repair it. Everything is engine out -jobs, if Ferrari is broken.

[RC45]

..people can talk about how spectacular and invigorating and all that bullshit driving a ferrari is... people talk about them like each car comes with its own soul :roll:. all i can tell you is this, you can bash the z06 for being a chevy, but im sure the grins on all the owners faces are just as big as the ones on the ferrari owners faces...

Sorry but I for one would have a much larger smile on my face waking up to a Ferrari than a Chevrolet. :roll:

As for the soul of a car, "and all that bullshit" as you so eloquently phrase it, I believe that these marques do have something special that isn't there on mass produced machinery.. but hey, maybe i'm wrong.

Well- go buya new Ferrari then.

Oh wait - you can't afford it.

So the argument is a stupid one - because if you could drop the $200K for a new F360/F430 you would have got because yo ucan aford it - then if you were a true auto enthusiast go get a Z06 as well for when you want to "just go like fucking hell".

This is the reason there a quite a number of extremely wealthy members of the Z06 forum - some with F360CS's and 911TT's, Murci'sand SL55/65's etc etc as their "I have money worship me" cars - and a Z06 (in some cases 2) as their "go like fucking hell and smile a lot" car.

[astonmartinandy]

Well- go buya new Ferrari then.

Oh wait - you can't afford it.

So the argument is a stupid one - because if you could drop the $200K for a new F360/F430 you would have got because yo ucan aford it - then if you were a true auto enthusiast go get a Z06 as well for when you want to "just go like fucking hell".

This is the reason there a quite a number of extremely wealthy members of the Z06 forum - some with F360CS's and 911TT's, Murci'sand SL55/65's etc etc as their "I have money worship me" cars - and a Z06 (in some cases 2) as their "go like fucking hell and smile a lot" car.

The fact that I cannot afford a Ferrari is irrelevant. I cannot afford a Ferrari, or a ZO6 or even a Lada at the moment (i'm currently an inpoverished student)

The point you have clearly missed is that I would much prefer to buy a Ferrari than a Chevrolet. Even with cost constraints, I could buy a decent 2nd hand 355 for ZO6 money, and while it may well be slower (by some margin I would imagine these days) The thought of driving a Ferrari would excite me much, much more.

I am not discrediting the abilities or performance of the ZO6 in any way, but I am saying that given the choice, I would far prefer a Ferrari to a Chevrolet!!

[RC45]

Well- go buya new Ferrari then.

Oh wait - you can't afford it.

So the argument is a stupid one - because if you could drop the $200K for a new F360/F430 you would have got because yo ucan aford it - then if you were a true auto enthusiast go get a Z06 as well for when you want to "just go like fucking hell".

This is the reason there a quite a number of extremely wealthy members of the Z06 forum - some with F360CS's and 911TT's, Murci'sand SL55/65's etc etc as their "I have money worship me" cars - and a Z06 (in some cases 2) as their "go like fucking hell and smile a lot" car.

The fact that I cannot afford a Ferrari is irrelevant. I cannot afford a Ferrari, or a ZO6 or even a Lada at the moment (i'm currently an inpoverished student)

The point you have clearly missed is that I would much prefer to buy a Ferrari than a Chevrolet. Even with cost constraints, I could buy a decent 2nd hand 355 for ZO6 money, and while it may well be slower (by some margin I would imagine these days) The thought of driving a Ferrari would excite me much, much more.

I am not discrediting the abilities or performance of the ZO6 in any way, but I am saying that given the choice, I would far prefer a Ferrari to a Chevrolet!!

And if comprehended what I wrote you would realize that many times, once people have achieved the ability to afford, even a used F-Car, they STILL end up parking a Z06 alongside it.

You couldn't buy a F355 or C5Z06 prices - and I am imagining it would be a struggle to find a decent F355 in the states for under $80K - we don't know for sure of the C6Z06 will be in this price range.

Either way, if you had to lend money to buy a used $80K F355 you probably don't have the money to maintain it anyway so it would a financially suicidal purchase anyway.

[godspeed06]

why are you so obsessed with just a badge? saying you would by a certain car even though it is much older, slower, and more expensive just bc it says "Ferrari" on it is a little beyond my comprehension. but go ahead and have fun with your overpriced, old, slow, few thousand dollar break job and oil change prancing horse... and one last question, have you ever driven a ferrari? how do you know what it will feel like compared to a Z06? how do you know it will be such an invigorating experience? anyone can see that your dream is to own and drive a ferrari and many people are like that, but the whole problem with that is the whole dream is built on marketing. ferarris are no longer THE benchmark of performance or even style. there is nothing to back up the marketing and the dream any longer except for stubborn people such as yourself who simply wont let it go as a result of their ignorance.

[astonmartinandy]

RC: I don't doubt that many of those who can afford a Ferrari also have a ZO6, and rationally a Ferrari will be a much more expensive proposition in the long run.

But as I said before, I would prefer a Ferrari..

Godspeed06: I have never driven a Ferrari, nor have I ever proclaimed to. Who are you to assume that my choice to prefer Ferrari as a marque to Corvette is based, or even influenced, by marketing? How many Ferrari adverts do you see on a daily basis compared to Chevrolet's?

How on earth can you assume, yet alone criticise the fact that I prefer one marque, on ignorance and stubborness?

Unfortunately what you have to try and comprehend is that sometimes a choice of car is emotive, and not entirely based on facts and figures.

[666fast]

And if comprehended what I wrote you would realize that many times, once people have achieved the ability to afford, even a used F-Car, they STILL end up parking a Z06 alongside it.

You couldn't buy a F355 or C5Z06 prices - and I am imagining it would be a struggle to find a decent F355 in the states for under $80K - we don't know for sure of the C6Z06 will be in this price range.

Either way, if you had to lend money to buy a used $80K F355 you probably don't have the money to maintain it anyway so it would a financially suicidal purchase anyway.


I think you'd be hard pressed to own a Ferrari on $100k/year. 80% of a years income on a car, probably not the best idea ever. You could probably swing an old 308 or 400i, but no one really wants those!

I'd prefer a Ferrari over a Z06, provided I could afford it. I've always wanted a 355. There is no way in hell I'd go into debt or bankruptcy for it though. If I couldn't afford a Ferrari, I'd have no problem rocking a Z06.

[graywolf624]

You could probably swing an old 308 or 400i, but no one really wants those!
Hey now.. Nostalgia is an odd thing.. I plan to have a 308 or 328 as a classic car in the years to come.. though it wont be my performance toy.

[SFDMALEX]

Highly doubt that the Z06 is a serious threat to the F430, and lets wait for the F430CS too,,,F430 is fucking fast going straight and no doubt is even better in the twisties, cant wait to see the F430 against these cars, I think it will whoop ass, hopefully I wont be proven wrong.

[SFDMALEX]

And if comprehended what I wrote you would realize that many times, once people have achieved the ability to afford, even a used F-Car, they STILL end up parking a Z06 alongside it.

You couldn't buy a F355 or C5Z06 prices - and I am imagining it would be a struggle to find a decent F355 in the states for under $80K - we don't know for sure of the C6Z06 will be in this price range.

Either way, if you had to lend money to buy a used $80K F355 you probably don't have the money to maintain it anyway so it would a financially suicidal purchase anyway.


I think you'd be hard pressed to own a Ferrari on $100k/year. 80% of a years income on a car, probably not the best idea ever. You could probably swing an old 308 or 400i, but no one really wants those!

I'd prefer a Ferrari over a Z06, provided I could afford it. I've always wanted a 355. There is no way in hell I'd go into debt or bankruptcy for it though. If I couldn't afford a Ferrari, I'd have no problem rocking a Z06.

Im sure you can get a 355 if you live alone on a 100K/year job, no one said your paing cash for it, banks are there for you for this type of stuff.

[SFDMALEX]

why are you so obsessed with just a badge? saying you would by a certain car even though it is much older, slower, and more expensive just bc it says "Ferrari" on it is a little beyond my comprehension. but go ahead and have fun with your overpriced, old, slow, few thousand dollar break job and oil change prancing horse... and one last question, have you ever driven a ferrari? how do you know what it will feel like compared to a Z06? how do you know it will be such an invigorating experience? anyone can see that your dream is to own and drive a ferrari and many people are like that, but the whole problem with that is the whole dream is built on marketing. ferarris are no longer THE benchmark of performance or even style. there is nothing to back up the marketing and the dream any longer except for stubborn people such as yourself who simply wont let it go as a result of their ignorance.

What?

Its what people are willing to pay for it. I see shit load of fucking ass transporters going on Barett Jackson for tons of money.

Why are people willing to spend 100000+$ on an old Vette? Because they grew up wanting a vette. Why are people willing to spend tons of money on some fucking woody with a big V8? Beats me, but thats what they want and thats what they are willing to pay.


I want a fucking Ferrari, wanted one since I could walk, yes I want the marque, its a life long dream, I love everything about the marque, I love its history, I love its exclusivity. Id rather drive my "old slow, over marketed" Ferrari feeling better then ever then driving my Vette which is faster which I have totaly no feelings for.



Marketing? Marketing what? Ever seen a Ferrari add?

No more the benchmark for performance? WTF have you been the last couple of decades.

Not even styling? You have to be kidding me......no comment there.

Thats why all the cars coming out were made keeping the 360 in mind? the 911TTs, the Ford GT, the Gallardo.

Have you looked at the numbers the 430 and Enzo are turning up?



If you look at the cars perfomance wise only(but hell Ferrari still IS the benchmark) then look for further then some Supra with lots of turbos, or an skyline with mods coming out of its ass.

[graywolf624]

Marketing? Marketing what? Ever seen a Ferrari add?

I hate to break it too you, but apparently ferrari has marketed well enough that you dont realize they are doing it. Marketing is not just an ad, its what you think when you hear there name. They do it just as much as anyone, what with the f1 racing(or do you really think that would be there if it didnt help someone make money?) the cross promo products(acer laptop), ect.

I like ferrari, and I would buy a 308 over a vette.. But not cause its better then the vette, but rather for nostalgia.. theyve marketed an image to me through magnum pi from my child hood.. I might want it, but its still just a badge.

[SFDMALEX]

Marketing? Marketing what? Ever seen a Ferrari add?

I hate to break it too you, but apparently ferrari has marketed well enough that you dont realize they are doing it. Marketing is not just an ad, its what you think when you hear there name. They do it just as much as anyone, what with the f1 racing(or do you really think that would be there if it didnt help someone make money?) the cross promo products(acer laptop), ect.

I like ferrari, and I would buy a 308 over a vette.. But not cause its better then the vette, but rather for nostalgia.. theyve marketed an image to me through magnum pi from my child hood.. I might want it, but its still just a badge.

Sorry but an acer laptop doesnt do much for me, I still dont see Ferrari out there on every billboard and every second TV ad. In comparison to Chevy Ferraris marketing is no were near as big as Chevys, its out there, but its like comparing a hand granade to a nuke, litteraly, in my eyes at least.

What does Ferrari need marketing for if 60% of new Ferrari buyers are old customers?

[graywolf624]

Sorry but an acer laptop doesnt do much for me, I still dont see Ferrari out there on every billboard and every second TV ad. In comparison to Chevy Ferraris marketing is no were near as big as Chevys, its out there, but its like comparing a hand granade to a nuke, litteraly, in my eyes at least.

What does Ferrari need marketing for if 60% of new Ferrari buyers are old customers?

Other then there being more chevys sold and thus more overal marketing your rather blind.

Racing itself is a form of marketing, you discounted the acer but thats what it is, Posters of ferrari, ferraris in tv shows and rap videos, hell even diecast cars. IF you count the f1 team ferraris marketing is in the multiple hundreds of millions of dollars a year.

These are all marketing. Marketing isnt just ads. Sadly your blind to it but yet you refer to exactly what marketing wants. You have an emotional attachment to the brand. Thats what marketings aim is, you to be emotionall attached to the brand and yet not even realize you were marketed too.. In which case one could argue ferrari just does a better job of it.

Hell in effect 90 percent of ferraris sales are pure marketing just as almost any other company and especially when it comes to sports cars, most people that own them never take them to the track in the first place.

[SFDMALEX]

Sorry but an acer laptop doesnt do much for me, I still dont see Ferrari out there on every billboard and every second TV ad. In comparison to Chevy Ferraris marketing is no were near as big as Chevys, its out there, but its like comparing a hand granade to a nuke, litteraly, in my eyes at least.

What does Ferrari need marketing for if 60% of new Ferrari buyers are old customers?

Other then there being more chevys sold and thus more overal marketing your rather blind.

Racing itself is a form of marketing, you discounted the acer but thats what it is, Posters of ferrari, ferraris in tv shows and rap videos, hell even diecast cars. IF you count the f1 team ferraris marketing is in the multiple hundreds of millions of dollars a year.

These are all marketing. Marketing isnt just ads. Sadly your blind to it but yet you refer to exactly what marketing once. You have an emotional attachment to the brand. Thats what marketings aim is, you to be emotionall attached to the brand and yet not even realize you were marketed too.. In which case one could argue ferrari just does a better job of it.

What are you saying man?

Are you trying to say that there arent any Chevy mugs, magazines, posters, nascar, diecast cars, hats, clocks, dildos, condoms, vibrators(its got a V8, will rumble yer clit off) ?


Sorry but Ferrari in F1 is the only reason for the marques existance and you know it, saying its a marketing device to sell cars(I know you didnt say it, but making it as such is tottal bullshit). You can say that about Porsche, not Ferrari.

Everysingle brand has t shirts, diecast cars and posters. Chevy has all that, plus ads all over north america.

Chevy factory races a Vette in ALMS and LM, now thats marketing, correct me if Im wrong but I dont think Chevy is know throughout its history to race factory cars in GT competitions, Im not talking about teams racing their cars, Im talking about the factory racing them selfves.

So the bottom line is that Chevy has every single marketing device that Ferrari does, and then some with its ads all over cities and every single tv frequency, so I dont know whos blind, me or you.

Ferraris in rap videos? Are you trying to say that Ferrari gives its cars away to Ludacris and 50cent so they can promote the brand? AHAHAHAHAHAHAH

If anything the fans and people are what sell Ferrari, Ferrari just sits there and makes the best there is.

[astonmartinandy]

The "Race it on Sunday, Sell it on Monday" is widelt regarded as one of the most important reasons now for entering motorsport. But, the same sport also develops new technology which can be adapted to the road cars..

As for the marketing affect, Chevrolet is just as guilty with merchandise and "marketing" through racing.

[SFDMALEX]

Hell in effect 90 percent of ferraris sales are pure marketing just as almost any other company and especially when it comes to sports cars, most people that own them never take them to the track in the first place.

Thats cause 90% of Ferraris are bought by wankers who buy it because of the name.

Yes the name is the greatest in the automitive history, and will probably stay that way until we all drive battery powered civics and chevys.

If making the best cars in the world, being one of the most succesful in every single form of motorsport is marketing then let it be.


Ferrari does not sell its cars because they let rappers have em in their vidoes, or beucase they make Ferrari ads with hot women with big tits driving them, or because you see their name on every single street corner. Thats marketing.


Ferrari sells cars because it makes the best cars in the world, because its the most succeful F1 team(the pinnacle of motorsport, therefore the very top of automotive leader).



Ferrari is like a professional athelete, like Tyson, everybody knows his name because he is one of the greatest, not because his mug is on a nike comerical like his NBA counterparts.

[graywolf624]

Sigh.. man ferrari does do a better job of it then gm.

Ferrari is a business like anything else. They sell there products by giving an image of them. And image that is marketed through any number of devices. It quit being just about the races a long time ago. Its about running a business.

You keep acting like somehow I said somewhere that that isnt the reason why chevy does it.. I dont get where your comming from with this. Im telling you they both do it. That maybe ferrari is a little better at marketing, but in reality you are being marketed too.

I just cant get over how well ferrari has done it that you dont even realize its occuring. Perhaps chevy should copy there methods, cause they seem to be working. And no they arent using identical methods. Even within race on sunday there are variations.

Ferrari sells cars because it makes the best cars in the world, because its the most succeful F1 team(the pinnacle of motorsport, therefore the very top of automotive leader).
Yet again your under the misguided impression that this itself isnt a form of marketing. Hell mike tyson was marketed as well. Hell f1 is marketed..
IF it didnt you wouldnt even know it existed and you certainly wouldnt be watching it on tv.

You need to understand that marketing is a function of the entire organization, its not just tv ads, or any singular fashion. It even comes into the design of the very product. In effect the whole definition of marketing, comming directly from my introduction to marketing management book, is to tie an item to an emotional response or need a person has without them even being aware you do so. All companies do this, if you believe Ferrari doesnt spend an exuberant amount of money just like everyone else to this goal, then your smoking some pretty expensive ganja.

[SFDMALEX]

/\/\/\ If outright success is a form of marketing then let it be.

Sure Ferrari does it better, but as far as pure volume, you cant deny that Chevy has that territory covered, you will find much more chevy marketing devices out there then Ferrari.

[graywolf624]

Sure Ferrari does it better, but as far as pure volume, you cant deny that Chevy has that territory covered, you will find much more chevy marketing devices out there then Ferrari.

More and better are not necessarily the same thing. In fact marketing management teaches that marketing is a bell curve in out come.. Too much is just as bad as too little.

Granted Ferrari and Chevy have entirely different market segments. Chevy targets more of the average working man, Ferrari on the other hand targets the wealthy. Theres not really much in the way of encroachment there. Even with the new z06, they are targeting the supercar performance level, but if they target the price at 70k, they arent targeting the uber wealthy of the world. Price itself, and the perception of quality it brings, is yet another marketing device.

[666fast]

Hey now.. Nostalgia is an odd thing.. I plan to have a 308 or 328 as a classic car in the years to come.. though it wont be my performance toy.



Well, you're wierd. :P Get a 328, with the painted bumper. The unpainted ones look like diving boards on the front of the car.


Im sure you can get a 355 if you live alone on a 100K/year job, no one said your paing cash for it, banks are there for you for this type of stuff


Not exactly. $100k a year is a lot, but when you have a house, car, ultilties, insurance, perhaps children, groceries, simple luxuries like cable tv, internet access, buying a car that equals 80% of your income is a damn dumb idea. It certainly could be done, but be prepared to give a whole hell of a lot up.

Remember, it's not just buying the car, there is maintenence and insurance to consider.
After many years of saving, you could do it. Taking a loan out from a bank probably won't work either. They usually won't do it for older cars and they also force full coverage insurance since they technically own the car untill the loan is paid off.
What happens when you are in an accident and the loan isn't payed off yet? Talk about hosing yourself.


I still dont see Ferrari out there on every billboard and every second TV ad


Because they don't need to and they know it. Whats a huge tourist attraction here in the States? Las Vegas, known for it's Casino's obviously. The new Wynn hotel/Casino has a damn dealership inside of it. They are to sell to locals only as well, they cannot legally sell a Ferrari to someone living outside Nevada. It's there mostly for advertising. How many cars can they possibly sell a year?


Sorry but Ferrari in F1 is the only reason for the marques existance and you know it, saying its a marketing device to sell cars(I know you didnt say it, but making it as such is tottal bullshit).


Racing most definately is marketing. Why do you think they call the Enzo as the F1 car for the road? Paddle shifters and carbon brakes are from F1, they tell you when you buy a Ferrari, you have what Schumacher has. It's advertising. Remember, no road cars, no racing. They wouldn't be able to afford racing without the sales of road cars.


Chevy factory races a Vette in ALMS and LM, now thats marketing, correct me if Im wrong but I dont think Chevy is know throughout its history to race factory cars in GT competitions, Im not talking about teams racing their cars, Im talking about the factory racing them selfves.


Chevy has been racing a damn long time. Do you know where the name "Chevrolet" comes from?


So the bottom line is that Chevy has every single marketing device that Ferrari does, and then some with its ads all over cities and every single tv frequency, so I dont know whos blind, me or you


just because they don't advertise the same way means very little. Most of Ferrari's sales are to repeat customers. GM and Chevy need to sell to everyone, first time buys to life long devoted GM buyers. That requires more advertising.


Ferraris in rap videos? Are you trying to say that Ferrari gives its cars away to Ludacris and 50cent so they can promote the brand? AHAHAHAHAHAHAH


Just because Ferrari didn't provide it, doesn't mean it isn't advertising. All the sheep see 50 Cent rocking a 360 Spider and they all want one. Not all of these kids will be able to afford one, but some will, and some might buy a Ferrari.


Yes the name is the greatest in the automitive history, and will probably stay that way until we all drive battery powered civics and chevys.


Last I checked, Ferrari's need a battery to work just like any other car. :P


Yes the name is the greatest in the automitive history


One of the greatest. IMO, Maserati is a more colorfull history than Ferrari.


Ferrari sells cars because it makes the best cars in the world, because its the most succeful F1 team(the pinnacle of motorsport, therefore the very top of automotive leader).


Thats called marketing. You wanna buy a Ferrari because of their F1 involvement.


Ferrari does not sell its cars because they let rappers have em in their vidoes, or beucase they make Ferrari ads with hot women with big tits driving them, or because you see their name on every single street corner. Thats marketing


It is marketing, but they had nothing to do with it. How great is that, didn't lift a finger or spend a dime, and another million kids want what a rapper drives. Plus, you are talking about it aren't you? Seems to me, it's working.

[graywolf624]

Well, you're wierd. Get a 328, with the painted bumper. The unpainted ones look like diving boards on the front of the car.
Some people have there 57 chevy belairs, me its a 308 or 328. Sadly enough in todays market the ferrari is cheaper.

That being said thats a long way off. I plan on slotting that next to the kit car I build which I dont plan on doing till im almost 40.

[SFDMALEX]

Well then my perception of marketing is tottaly different, as I said a post or some above yours.

[graywolf624]

Well then my perception of marketing is tottaly different, as I said a post or some above yours.
And as we said, part of marketing is appealing to your very perception of marketing.

Read a marketing introductory book sometime, itd suprise you how much it permiates every little action of a company.

[godspeed06]

graywolf understood what i was saying, and i never said chevy didnt market. all i stated was that as far as the ferrari dream is concerned these days i feel its the marketing more than just the actual car that does it. listen i dont have a problem with people loving ferraris. i dont have a problem with people loving chevys. i guess im just a little oversensitive to the way so many people on this forum look down on chevys and bow down to ferraris even though they have no experience in either one just bc thats "the way it should be... ferrari on top, chevy on bottom." what im trying to say is that the whole paradigm of "ferrari on top, chevy on bottom" is a fabrication. this may have been true decades ago, but as far as the present is concerned, i find it ridiculous for people who have never driven a ferrari to fight tooth and nail justifying ferraris over every other car in the world. you can love ferraris and dream about them, but dont be so faux elitist (how can you be truly elitist if you dont even own one of the damn things, but that doesnt stop you from acting like you own one, talking about them like you drive one to work every day) saying the ferrari is way better when you really have no place saying so. maybe its because ferraris are such status symbols that i feel this way, i dont know. there might even be a little hypocrisy thrown into this argument as well that gets to me. either way this is getting stupid and its my fault for bringing all this up to begin with. keep loving the ferrari, i hope one day you might even get to drive one of the things. but while youre having your wet dreams at night over the 430 for the next few decades, ill have a Z06 when im in my mid twenties - and ill be as happy as a pig in shit. thats all i got for right now.

[RC45]

but while youre having your wet dreams at night over the 430 for the next few decades, ill have a Z06 when im in my mid twenties - and ill be as happy as a pig in shit. thats all i got for right now.

This man is wise beyond his years. ;)

[SFDMALEX]

but while youre having your wet dreams at night over the 430 for the next few decades, ill have a Z06 when im in my mid twenties - and ill be as happy as a pig in shit. thats all i got for right now.

This man is wise beyond his years. ;)

Who said I wont be driving that same damn Vette whilst having wet dreams about my Ferrari in 30 years? :|

[RC45]

but while youre having your wet dreams at night over the 430 for the next few decades, ill have a Z06 when im in my mid twenties - and ill be as happy as a pig in shit. thats all i got for right now.

This man is wise beyond his years. ;)

Who said I wont be driving that same damn Vette whilst having wet dreams about my Ferrari in 30 years? :|

Nobody - what do you think I do about the F40... ;) ? :P

[inso]

http://www.worldcarfans.com/news.cfm/newsid/2050614.001
sumthin worth reading about C6 z06

[godspeed06]

65000 base price is incredible... what a deal. in a few years im sure youll be able to buy this used supercar for around 35k... how insane is that?

[inso]

also it could be collectable icon, and prices go up.

[godspeed06]

i doubt that would happen in the near future. possibly 40-50 years down the road it will, but right now it will be like every other vette and viper - it will drop down sustantially.

[ViperASR]

^^^^^
Yea but look at all the other corvettes, they are selling like crazy at auctions. I think that these cars will only gain in value over the years.

[godspeed06]

which ones? the c5s - no, c4s - no, c3s - no ... so there you have it, only the ones that are decades old are selling for premiums. the vette will decrease in price for many years, then when enough of them are gone for good and they are thoroughly old, people will begin collecting them and the market price will increase.

[graywolf624]

vette and viper - it will drop down sustantially.
As do the majority of ferraris...

[godspeed06]

naturally... :D