BMW Group North America Shatters All Past Annual Sales Recor

[Just_me]

http://www.germancarfans.com/news.cfm/newsid/2050105.005/bmw/1.html


Pretty impressive, congrats Bangle and everyone else making these great cars :wink:

[Just_me]

it's only cos of SUVs, my friend. the car sales have gone down ;)

[quote]Year-to-date, sales were down 5 percent, to 190,250 automobiles compared to 200,144 sold in the same period in 2003.



A new 3-series is on tha way and bmw will do another great year 2005. You can clearly see that 3-serie lost sales in the US. Customers are waiting for the new one.

the new 5-series are doing well, next year the Touring will arrive to US and the sales will gain even more.

What about 1-series, will US get it?

Its obvious that you hate to see BMW doing so well, all your negatism about Bangle and recent designellements from BMW is pissing you off and now when bmw are doing another great year, you're crying even more :twisted: :wink:


So everso, I know you are a audifan but youre not talking about audi. Wonder why :wink: All you seem to do is bitching about BMW :D

[bmwmpower]

this is important
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impresive,

but 2004 sales bmw 2 Z8 i think this car is not for sale today

[mv]

It seems that Americans are obsessed with the 2.5l :)

[bmwmpower]

It seems that Americans are obsessed with the 2.5l :)

2.5 V6 is great engine - i love it , 192 hp from i think 1991
of course 24V

[nthfinity]

As for Audi...this is your post, related to boasting (falsely) about BMW...so i'm not discussing Audi

ahahaha :lol:

honestly, i prefer the exteriro styling of the current 3 series, previous 5 series, and current 6/7 series...


So everso, I know you are a audifan but youre not talking about audi. Wonder why

well, if you know he likes audi... he has spoken quite some bits about audi... no wonder its not here in a BMW topic.

anyway, actually on topic now :P
i see nothing wrong with an auto maker making, and selling massive amounts of SUV's... partiulcarly when it finances other projects that are more fun to drive... so kudos to BMW for having such high marks there... although, im sure they arent happy with a 5% sales drop year to date from ther car side...

[Just_me]

it's only cos of SUVs, my friend. the car sales have gone down ;)

[quote]Year-to-date, sales were down 5 percent, to 190,250 automobiles compared to 200,144 sold in the same period in 2003.



A new 3-series is on tha way and bmw will do another great year 2005. You can clearly see that 3-serie lost sales in the US. Customers are waiting for the new one.

the new 5-series are doing well, next year the Touring will arrive to US and the sales will gain even more.

What about 1-series, will US get it?

Its obvious that you hate to see BMW doing so well, all your negatism about Bangle and recent designellements from BMW is pissing you off and now when bmw are doing another great year, you're crying even more :twisted: :wink:


So everso, I know you are a audifan but youre not talking about audi. Wonder why :wink: All you seem to do is bitching about BMW :D

haha..i'm not bitching..i'm just telling the truth.

if it wasn't for SUVs, BMW would be falling. As for the "new" cars, that's simply speculation on your part :)

BMWs numbers are simply not "impressive" as you so boldly stated...and they have nothing to do with "cars" either as you stated.

As for Audi...this is your post, related to boasting (falsely) about BMW...so i'm not discussing Audi :)

5-series are doing well too and you know it, you just wait for the new 3-series as well.
These sales prooves that bmw and Bangle was right. If they wasnt, BMW wouldnt sale over 200.000 cars.

No its not impressive if you compare it to japanese sales but its impressive that bmw selling so many cars although many people complain on the new design from BMW. BMw have never been selling so many cars since Bangle overtook the design desicions. So yes its extrmely impressive :wink:

[Just_me]

As for Audi...this is your post, related to boasting (falsely) about BMW...so i'm not discussing Audi

ahahaha :lol:

So everso, I know you are a audifan but youre not talking about audi. Wonder why

well, if you know he likes audi... he has spoken quite some bits about audi... no wonder its not here in a BMW topic.

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Everso hates BMw so much he has to talk about mercedes but he says nothing about audi, weird right. Thats why I asked him about audi. If he never had mention mercedes here I would never ask him about it.
But Ok , no further mercedes or audi talk here.

[Just_me]

Everso hates BMw so much he has to talk about mercedes but he says nothing about audi, weird right. Thats why I asked him about audi. If he never had mention mercedes here I would never ask him about it.
But Ok , no further mercedes or audi talk here.

i mentioned Mercedes because THEIR statistics *are* impressive and are record breaking, unlike BMWs ;)

Mercedes has always done well and not many people complain on their design but often you hear about bmw design. But still, BMw are selling well. Thats what make it so impressive. Only a anti-bangle cant see it :wink:

But I guess, this discuission want get any futher so its pointless to discuss it further. Just Making us look like post whores :D

[bmwmpower]

but mercedes had more models then bmw, and they made new class CLS,
bmw head model 3 waiting for new generation , i think 2005 will be better year for bmw,

[Just_me]

Mercedes has always done well and not many people complain on their design but often you hear about bmw design. But still, BMw are selling well. Thats what make it so impressive. Only a anti-bangle cant see it :wink:


are you in total denial??? LOL!

car sales for BMW have dropped. bottom line. you can make excuses all you want and say they are "selling well"...but compared to Mercedes they are not. as for 2005, we'll see.

ALSO, the X3 didn't even exist in 2003. So the 30,000+ sales of that are the *only* reason sales went up at all. The X5 dropped as well. BMW is failing :)

Audi sales have dropped as well, but unlike you, i'm not in denial ;)

and like you said...this topic has reached the limit of discussion, since you are wrong! :D ;)


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The mercedes thing, where do you see me saying mercedes isnt selling well. But the thing is, mercedes has always done well, so its not a surprise the way you make it sound like. My point is, although there are many nay sayers, bmw are selling well.

When I created this thread, you dont see me talking about mercedes or audi, its you starting it cause you cant swallow your mandom to see that bmw are doing well. :roll: My reason for creating this thread, was to show that bmw sells well, Im not comparing to other brands. IF BMw was a disaster as you make it look like, BMW wouldnt sell so many cars as they do.

So dont give me that denial thing, Im denying as much as you are. :agrue:

[Just_me]

Mercedes has always done well and not many people complain on their design but often you hear about bmw design. But still, BMw are selling well. Thats what make it so impressive. Only a anti-bangle cant see it :wink:


You go from a bragging about their sales, to say they sell well even if people complain about the design,when its SUV`s who makes them sell more items than their cars.......


But I guess, this discuission want get any futher so its pointless to discuss it further. Just Making us look like post whores :D

you are right there is no point in going further BMW get good sales from their SUV`s not the rest of their lineup....... :P

SUV you say, yes X3 is a Suv and its done by Bangle. Antother prove that bmw are selling well although nay sayers like you ;)

Its X3 and 5-series and facelifted X5 who sells the best, all created by Bangle and his team. And that 3-seris isnt doing well is cause of the new 3-series comping up.

[Just_me]

[quote=brembo][quote=Just_me]
Mercedes has always done well and not many people complain on their design but often you hear about bmw design. But still, BMw are selling well. Thats what make it so impressive. Only a anti-bangle cant see it :wink:

people are buying the H2 thats not a good looking car either, it proves SUV buyers dont buy design they just want a big car...... :wink:

Lol, I was exepting a lame excuse like that. You sound like my 10 year old sister :twisted:

[Just_me]

[quote="Just_me"][quote="brembo"][quote="Just_me"][quote="brembo"][quote=Just_me]

honestly...if you met Bangle...would you get a boner? LOLOL

i think you would!!!!!

:mrgreen: I hope not....


Im closing the case here, we will never get along so its pointless to continue discussing this. You and brembo have your point of view, I have mine. So im not answering anymore replies in this thread. There is more intresting threads than this one here at jabbas. See you there :)

BTW thanks for the intresting discussion we had :D

[Just_me]

LOL yeah please go into the personal insults now you have been caught with your pants down...
Its ok with me no problem........I just wonder if you really are 29, if you got a 10 year old sister....thats quite a age difference..... :wink:

haha, youre so funny. Caught with my pants down. Its you my friends who has been caught. 8)

Personal you say, do you want me to tell you a norwegian story, Im sure you heard a lof of stories :lol:

Im sorry but I think we gone to far now, the topic is long gone. Sorry if I have offended you. But we are both adults, I belive you can handle it.

See ya !!

[blah]

This topic has been officially assassinated by the Jabbasworld Audi Attack Team. Thank you for your time and consideration

You wish bitch. Lets see AUDI sell a car that doesnt have one thing in it from Volkswagen. :roll: Plus their boring designs and that red interior lighting. Mehh. Also wait for the new 3 series if you want to watch sales jump back up. the Current C-Class is jut much better than the current 3 series because of the 05 redesign and people have noticed that, and started buying the C-Classes taking sales away from bmw. Not to mention i have never seen one BMW sales discount or excentive to try and get BMWs out the door, yet every few months i see a mercedes ad, with low interest rates, or special financing.

Give VW a few more years and they will have a car that is just like its AUDI cousin in every way, and people will stop buying them, and then the economies of the world will be fixed. Not to mention there will be global peace, and we will find new energy sources. All because of the death of AUDI.

[blah]

This topic has been officially assassinated by the Jabbasworld Audi Attack Team. Thank you for your time and consideration

You wish bitch. Lets see AUDI sell a car that doesnt have one thing in it from Volkswagen. :roll: Plus their boring designs and that red interior lighting. Mehh. Also wait for the new 3 series if you want to watch sales jump back up. the Current C-Class is jut much better than the current 3 series because of the 05 redesign and people have noticed that, and started buying the C-Classes taking sales away from bmw. Not to mention i have never seen one BMW sales discount or excentive to try and get BMWs out the door, yet every few months i see a mercedes ad, with low interest rates, or special financing.

Give VW a few more years and they will have a car that is just like its AUDI cousin in every way, and people will stop buying them, and then the economies of the world will be fixed. Not to mention there will be global peace, and we will find new energy sources. All because of the death of AUDI.

your entire post is irrelevant to the topic being discussed. sorry. you lose.....bitch! ;)

Well you drive a car designed for trophy wives, and hair dressers. Almost as bad as a boxster. :wink:

[blah]

Bitch....

[blah]

Blah is officially a Jabbasworld Audi Attack Team owned Bitch

OFFICIALLY HAS THE PENIS SIZE OF A SEA SLUG

[bmwmpower]

please, do not atack,
everyone know whats better

[tifosi]

company |Dec 04' |2004
BMW |29,292 |296,111
Mercedes-Benz |26,607 |221,610

this is the sells figure announced by both company for US market alone.
notice BMW sold as much as 30% more cars than Mercedes-Benz did in 2004. i don't want to get into your guys' rather pointless argument. but i think the number can pretty much explains itself.

[tifosi]

company |Dec 04' |2004
BMW |29,292 |296,111
Mercedes-Benz |26,607 |221,610

this is the sells figure announced by both company for US market alone.
notice BMW sold as much as 30% more cars than Mercedes-Benz did in 2004. i don't want to get into your guys' rather pointless argument. but i think the number can pretty much explains itself.

we're talking about annual increases in sales from year-to-year, not raw numbers. If you wanna bring up raw numbers...go get some Chevrolet numbers...or Chrysler numbers.

comparing them head to head is not the point. That depends on numerous factors, mainly production numbers and numbers of cars imported to this country in the first place.

sure, sales incrase you say?

BMW's anual sales was increased for 6.9% over previous year. whereas MB's annual sales was only increased for 1.3% over the previous year.

furthermore, production number and import is only a factor of the sells if the demand is significantly greater than demand. which is clearly not the case for both company.

[ZfrkS62]

2.5 V6 is great engine - i love it , 192 hp from i think 1991
of course 24V


BMW doesn't have any V6's bro :wink: only inline.


Lets, see here, the 3 series is once again in Car and Driver top 10..which makes 14 straight years..E30 to E46 :P i haven't seen either audi OR mercedes do that.

yes sales figures have dropped a bit, but remember, the E36/7 ended it production run in 03, so you saw a drop off there. The M5 also was not present for 2004, nor will it be for most of 2005, however presales from what i understand are doing well.

As for the E46 sales dropping due to the E90 being close to release, yes, from the E46 owners i have spoken with (which is quite a few) alot of them are waiting to trade their E46 for the E90. So there is some validity to that statement.

there has been a slight drop yes, but i wouldn't make too much of it. '05 is going to be a strange year since we will be seeing the release of the E90 in September for the '06 model year, and possibly the M5 closer to December (just in time for the holidays :mrgreen: )

[tifosi]

the decrease in sells in simply becasue it's been diverge to other model that fit them better.

with the introduction of X3, some potential X5 owners who doesn't need that much space will inevitably start to consider X3, and possibly purchase X3 over X5.

same goes to the new 6-series.

and now Mercedes-Benz is going to sell CLS (and a lot more models based on C-klasse). i am sure a lot of sells of E-klasse will be diverge to E-klasse as well.

[tifosi]

furthermore, the sells of 2004 E60 5-seriesv(only sedan) is 21% more than 2003 E39 5-series (including touring, sedan, and M5).

[FordGTGuy]

if they wanna impress me lets see them break the U.S. record for all the companies. :twisted: :twisted: :lol: lol just j/king thats pretty cool I have been seeing alot more BMW's on the road latley.

[blah]

Blah is officially a Jabbasworld Audi Attack Team owned Bitch

OFFICIALLY HAS THE PENIS SIZE OF A SEA SLUG

oh dear. now he's admitting truths about himself. LOL

we really don't wanna know about your private parts......biooootch. :D

you suck at life.

[ZfrkS62]

Blah is officially a Jabbasworld Audi Attack Team owned Bitch

OFFICIALLY HAS THE PENIS SIZE OF A SEA SLUG

oh dear. now he's admitting truths about himself. LOL

we really don't wanna know about your private parts......biooootch. :D

you suck at life.

that game blows anyway. last time i played it i ended up with 3 cars worth of parasites...i mean kids...

[blah]

side subject everso what do you think of John Mayer? i just got 2 of his cds for christmas. Heavier Things, and Room for Sqaures. Is your music anything like his? I like the song Daughters alot, and also No Such thing and clarity.

[Anonymous]

I notice one thing is that early BMW models always do well in their initial cycle. After a year or two it always dips significantly.

These numbers are nothing to be excited about.

Yeah yes, when the E90 comes out it'll do well initially. But how well will it hold for a BMW life cycle of 7 years?

If I remember correctly, the E36 sales numbers has always been pretty consistent. Look at the numbers, even in it's last year of full production the E46 is doing very well.

But look at other numbers such as the E65 or the Z4. A significant drop.

Yeah, you also really gotta add the exact 34,000 or so of X3s sold. Yes it is created in a different market segment, but at the same time, you can't say that all of those people would have bought an X5 if the X3 did not existed. So yeah, the numbers are inflated.

[ikon2003]

well, back to the topic.... it looks like ppl are actually liking some of the new styling of bimmer, and it hasn't pushed away consumers. hopefully this'll get them in better financial situations.

[ferrarif1fan89]

It seems that Americans are obsessed with the 2.5l :)it is the base engine on many of the models sold here (3, 5, x3, z4) and since it is the cheapest model, many americans can afford it. and many people are apposed to having "just" 150 horspower, or less, in a premium car. and it is a great engine.

[Sir_GT]

well, back to the topic.... it looks like ppl are actually liking some of the new styling of bimmer, and it hasn't pushed away consumers. hopefully this'll get them in better financial situations.

BMW AG aren't worried about their financial situation at all. According to Fortune magazine, they are the most profitable company in Germany. DaimlerChrysler themselves are doing as much as they can to try matching BMW's net returns.

[Just_me]

This is profits for BMW vs Mercedes since 1999. When BMw got rid of Rover, it went straight way up to heaven.

http://img69.exs.cx/img69/7815/sales6iy.png

and here is sales for BMW worldwide. BMw have never sold over one millons bimmers before, but 2004 they succeded.

2004 Global sales

BMW Group: 1.208.724 (+9,4%)
BMW: 1.023.525 (+10,3%)
MINI: 184.357 (+4,5%)
Rolls-Royce: 792 (2003 sales: 300)

X3: 92.267
6-series: 21.043
1-series: 39.247 (from 9/18)
5-series: 229.539 (+23,8%; BMW sales goal was 190.000 units!!!)

Source: BMW Press

This is the first time BMW have sold over one millions bimmers.
I belive next year will be great year too.
Then BMw will offer new engines, Touring for 5-series and AWD and M5 too.
There will be a new 3-series and maybe a few more engines for 1-series.

BMw are doing well, despite a new design era.

[ikon2003]

well, back to the topic.... it looks like ppl are actually liking some of the new styling of bimmer, and it hasn't pushed away consumers. hopefully this'll get them in better financial situations.

BMW AG aren't worried about their financial situation at all. According to Fortune magazine, they are the most profitable company in Germany. DaimlerChrysler themselves are doing as much as they can to try matching BMW's net returns.

Financial Times (UK based publication) last year wrote a pretty big article on the instability of BMW's finances. Even if they're profitable, they have such a complex system of R&D (and with all the development lately, it's easy to see why...new models, engines etc) that it's hampering their potential.

[bmwmpower]

This is profits for BMW vs Mercedes since 1999. When BMw got rid of Rover, it went straight way up to heaven.

http://img69.exs.cx/img69/7815/sales6iy.png

and here is sales for BMW worldwide. BMw have never sold over one millons bimmers before, but 2004 they succeded.

2004 Global sales

BMW Group: 1.208.724 (+9,4%)
BMW: 1.023.525 (+10,3%)
MINI: 184.357 (+4,5%)
Rolls-Royce: 792 (2003 sales: 300)

X3: 92.267
6-series: 21.043
1-series: 39.247 (from 9/18)
5-series: 229.539 (+23,8%; BMW sales goal was 190.000 units!!!)

Source: BMW Press

This is the first time BMW have sold over one millions bimmers.
I belive next year will be great year too.
Then BMw will offer new engines, Touring for 5-series and AWD and M5 too.
There will be a new 3-series and maybe a few more engines for 1-series.

BMw are doing well, despite a new design era.

please if its possible post some numbers about M cars and sale

[ikon2003]

Wow, this is a really weird coincidence.... after reading this thread and posting what i posted, last night b4 i went to bed, i picked up a Wall Street Journal from a couple days ago: Mon, Jan10th, 2005 - Front Cover, Top Fold:

"BMW's Push to Broaden Line Hits Some Bumps in the Road."

Exactly what i was talking about. Summary of article: Bimmer did very well, but still have a lot of problems to work out, and future doesn't look as rosy as they thought it could be. some quotes

"BMW's vehicle sales have soared 34%. But signs of trouble are cropping up, raising questions about whether the strategy will prove successful in the long run. The new curvy styling is turning off some longstanding fans.... As a result, the new-look 5 and 7 series are slumping inthe US, BMW's biggest market. Another sign something isn't working: BMW in the past year has resorted to something luxury-car makers loathe - price cutting."

then a bunch of graphs showing declining (US) sales of new-design models after they were introduced

"BMW is only the world's 14th-largest car maker in 2003" (just fyi)

"The new electronics have caused problems. Frustrations with the iDrive control system lead some owners to call it "why Drive" or "iDunno." Glitches in other components sent customers back to dealers again and again in search of fixes, denting BMW's reputation for quality. In a recent issue of Consumer Reports, not a single BMW was judged reliable enough to make the magazine's 2005 recommended list."

"BMW finished 2004 with mixed results in the US market. US sales of BMW branded vehicles rose 8%, but thanks only to the new X3 SUV. Without that vehicle, sales would have fallen 6%. The brand new 5 series suffered a 3% drop. That's a jarring reception for a car that rivals routinely admit to using as a benchmark when designing their own luxury models. Sales of the Bangle-designed 7 Series and Z4 roadster fell 21% and 33% respectively.

Facing less-than robust demand, BMW has had to prime sales with profit eating incentives. It subsidized leasing deals on the X3 for most of the year. In December it held a year-end clearance sale in the US, the first time it's ever done so. Recently a $5,000 rebate was offered on the Z4 roadster through a promotion run by American Express Co."

WSJ article written by Neal E Boudette

[Anonymous]

ikon - that's what I pointed out earlier. Notice the significant drops in sales after the initial release.

[ikon2003]

^yup, exactly. in spite of the record sales, things actually don't look that rosy for BMW, and i think they got quite a bit to worry about. Esp. since the backbone of the company rests primarily on the 3 series, which we'll see soon in its new incarnation. A lot will depend on that.

I kno a lot of cars go into that decreased sales slump after initial release (H2 was a big one) - but the unfortunate thing for bimmer was that its 5 series sales had been increasing consecutively for the 3 previous years before the new model was introduced.

[Anonymous]

^yup, exactly. in spite of the record sales, things actually don't look that rosy for BMW, and i think they got quite a bit to worry about. Esp. since the backbone of the company rests primarily on the 3 series, which we'll see soon in its new incarnation. A lot will depend on that.

I kno a lot of cars go into that decreased sales slump after initial release (H2 was a big one) - but the unfortunate thing for bimmer was that its 5 series sales had been increasing consecutively for the 3 previous years before the new model was introduced.

Yeah exactly. Well, the H2 was primarily boosted by the Celebrity fame. Or so call Hype.

But yeah, if I remember correctly the E36 sales were doing quite well, all the way up to the introduction of the E46. So I am not surprise that the E39 was doing well the last three years.

Remember that "hype" often dies down after the initial year or two. So it all depends on how well the design wears over the years.

I think the current cars don't look bad, but at the same time I don't think they look great. They definitely look modern. But the key will be in the 6th or 7th year, will it still look good?

[ikon2003]

^and the sad part is that the 5 series never even got its "hype" boost. for whatever melange of reasons.