OWNED!! Enzo Scam on Ebay..I caught em!

[coloradosilver]

Check out these two auctions:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=18180&item=4512428572&rd=1

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4515139026&category=6212

They are auctions in two different parts of the world...yet the pictures reveal that these two cars are sitting in front of the exact same building. Even the trees and the big art sculpture in the background is the same!!

I believe that the 2nd auction could be for real. The pics are more detailed and so is the description. Also he has quite a few other high end cars for sale.

But why is it that he has no feedback? I would never buy a car, let alone an enzo, from someone with 0 feedback.

The guy in the 1st auction is obviously a scammer though!

I'd say that he's busted now bitch!!

I do a lot of business on ebay and people that do this should be shot!

Can we all do something about this somehow?



:x :x :x :x

[FPVPSI]

Well i must say i havnt ever used e-bay before, i know afew people who have and they are allways weary about scammers...and so they should be...its great that u un coverd a fake... :) ...but how are they going to be stopped?

I really think they should charge people for membership (or do they allready :? ) so that way there wasting their own time and money doing stupid things such as this...just a thought...

[EDIT] ummm deffinatly weird, maybe the seller of the red one originally bought it from there and decided to use the same pic...But being an Enzo owner i think you would know how many of these fantastic machines have been built...It states that 400, but it's infact 399...maybe im being too paranoid, but thats a little something that might make you think its a fake/scammer...

[23790554]

ebay administrators actively pick up on scams pretty quickly, the bidding for the first auction has ended anyway, while the second one would be very easy to check on, just go to the showroom.

report to ebay if u think anything is a scam

[coloradosilver]

ebay administrators actively pick up on scams pretty quickly, the bidding for the first auction has ended anyway, while the second one would be very easy to check on, just go to the showroom.

report to ebay if u think anything is a scam

Um..not really. I've been doing business on ebay for quite a few years now. I'll bet that for every scam they find, another 10 go unchecked. Ebay is full of scammers and quite often they will get away with it.

Like I said earlier...I think that the 2nd auction that is currently running is legit. It was the 1st one that is the fake.

I have emailed the seller of the yellow enzo and told him of the situation to see if he can shed some light on the subject.

I don't want to report that 1st auction with the red car to ebay cuz they'll just send him a warning or ban him. I want to know what we can do to really make his life miserable.

[SilviaEvo]

the first one says there are 400 Enzos but we all know there are 399 :wink:

[astonmartinandy]

the first one says there are 400 Enzos but we all know there are 399 :wink:

Lol they always produce one less than they think they can sell!

[No.1]

You think you "caught 'em".... LMAO.

Pictures are duplicated all over eBay... it's obvious that they may be faked. You really are no Sherlock Holmes.

Also, i doubt that anybody will loose any money on this auction... except the seller who has to pay hosting fees. Who is going to transfer half-a-million pounds for a car that they have never seen before.

I can't believe this topic exists... you really think you blew open a massive scam?! Don't make me laugh.... too late, you already have :|

[BADMIHAI]

I don't get it. One of them is red and the other is yellow. How are the pictured duplicated? :?

[callen]

well mihai a little photo-chop could be the way to do it, cause the bcakground is the same. and correct me if i am wrong, i dunno nething about taxes and such in Britain, but 18% on the final price!?!? thats ludacris on what looks like a private auction. The second one looks real, but the first, reserve met and sold at 480,000 GBP? that isnt even list price for when the car was released in 2003! :D

[No.1]

correct me if i am wrong, i dunno nething about taxes and such in Britain, but 18% on the final price!?!? thats ludacris on what looks like a private auction. The second one looks real, but the first, reserve met and sold at 480,000 GBP? that isnt even list price for when the car was released in 2003! :D

You are wrong.... it's 17.5% Value Added Tax in the UK :wink:

And List for the Enzo in the UK was £420k.... less than the £480k on eBay.

The UK sold Enzo is a pile of shit.... he didn't have a car to sell. It cannot be more obvious :roll:

The Enzo in the US may be real, Silicon Valley may not complete the transaction on eBay, but it's a great advert as long as people like Coloradosilver are prepared to get their nuts in a twist over it.

BTW - the pictures are not duplicated, the angle of photography is different It could still be the same car, just PS'd, but it is not an identical photograph :roll:

[ZfrkS62]

the first one says there are 400 Enzos but we all know there are 399 :wink:

is this counting the destroyed enzo on wreckedexotics and the more recent enzo of Frank (insert last name here) of Top Gear?

[No.1]

^^^ Mr Mountain's car :wink:

AFAIK - Enzo on wrecked exotics = 398 left
- Enzo burnt on a freeway... video was posted somewhere = 397 left
- Frank Mountain's car = 397 left (they're gonna fix it :wink: )

[coloradosilver]

You think you "caught 'em".... LMAO.

Pictures are duplicated all over eBay... it's obvious that they may be faked. You really are no Sherlock Holmes.

Also, i doubt that anybody will loose any money on this auction... except the seller who has to pay hosting fees. Who is going to transfer half-a-million pounds for a car that they have never seen before.

I can't believe this topic exists... you really think you blew open a massive scam?! Don't make me laugh.... too late, you already have :|

You really don't need to be an ass about it! I don't know if you think making comments like this are funny or what, but they're really just designed to belittle people. It doesn't say much for your character!


Anyway.....

Here's the letter that I wrote to the seller of the Yellow Enzo:

Dear siliconvalleyautogroup,

Beautiful car! About a week ago, the following auction ended:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=18180&item=4512428572&rd=1

The car pictured is sitting in the exact same place yours is (in front of same building)..yet it says that it's located in Germany! Can you explain this? Just thought you should be aware this was going on! Please let me know what the situation is.

Thank you, Matt

Here's what I got back:

Matt,

We sold that car a few weeks ago. Appears to a scam. Thanks so much for the heads-up.

Bill Penny
Silicon Valley Auto Group

[No.1]

You think you "caught 'em".... LMAO.

Pictures are duplicated all over eBay... it's obvious that they may be faked. You really are no Sherlock Holmes.

Also, i doubt that anybody will loose any money on this auction... except the seller who has to pay hosting fees. Who is going to transfer half-a-million pounds for a car that they have never seen before.

I can't believe this topic exists... you really think you blew open a massive scam?! Don't make me laugh.... too late, you already have :|

You really don't need to be an ass about it! I don't know if you think making comments like this are funny or what, but they're really just designed to belittle people. It doesn't say much for your character!




I really wasn't being an ass about it, or trying to be funny... i figured it out, everybody else did, so there is no need to make a topic about it.... you did not solve a great mystery :|
Indeed, if you read my other post(s) in this thread, i said the exact same thing your e.mail from Silicon Valley proved. 8)

If you want to carry on your crusade against e-badies then please continue. I have nothing more to say on the subject of the non-existent Enzo

[coloradosilver]

You think you "caught 'em".... LMAO.

Pictures are duplicated all over eBay... it's obvious that they may be faked. You really are no Sherlock Holmes.

Also, i doubt that anybody will loose any money on this auction... except the seller who has to pay hosting fees. Who is going to transfer half-a-million pounds for a car that they have never seen before.

I can't believe this topic exists... you really think you blew open a massive scam?! Don't make me laugh.... too late, you already have :|

You really don't need to be an ass about it! I don't know if you think making comments like this are funny or what, but they're really just designed to belittle people. It doesn't say much for your character!




I really wasn't being an ass about it, or trying to be funny... i figured it out, everybody else did, so there is no need to make a topic about it.... you did not solve a great mystery :|
Indeed, if you read my other post(s) in this thread, i said the exact same thing your e.mail from Silicon Valley proved. 8)

If you want to carry on your crusade against e-badies then please continue. I have nothing more to say on the subject of the non-existent Enzo

You don't seem to get it. I wasn't doing this for your information...or for the information of any of the other members here. Although one of Jabbas World members did make the claim that he was the winning bidder in the fraudulent auction..so he may be interested in this.

The point is that ebay has been contacted and and so have the REAL sellers of the car. Now the two are working together through the proper authorities to do whatever they can to prosecute this fake seller.

Finding that the auction was a fake was not the point of this post...the point was to somehow go after the person who did it.

[No.1]

^^^^

They have done nothing wrong... maybe selling something you haven't got is wron, but the [fake] seller has not benefited from it, and so any action would be fruitless/pointless

[coloradosilver]

^^^^

They have done nothing wrong... maybe selling something you haven't got is wron, but the [fake] seller has not benefited from it, and so any action would be fruitless/pointless

How do you know? Maybe they did get paid..maybe they didn't. The point is that there is someone that is trying to bennefit from ripping someone else off. It might not be so big of a deal if it was only a few $, but when you're talking about 100's of thousands..they should't be allowed to do that and, IMO, should be locked up. The world just doesn't need people like this.

And it's not fruitless/pointless..because, like I have already said, ebay and the real seller are doing what they can to prosecute this fake seller. Just because the crime may not have been completed (the buyer did not pay), doesn't make it not a crime. It's still a criminal attempt..or an "incohate crime".

[No.1]

ebay and the real seller are doing what they can to prosecute this fake seller

Which as we no amounts to precisely nothing. There have been no eBay prosecutions yet, only user bans etc... It takes 20seconds to set up another account after having the old one cancelled.

I agree, the SOB's should be shot for taking people on a ride, but you didn't mention the likely prosecution in your first post, just that you had realised that one of the auctions was a scam, which any Joe Average could have done.

I think we should end this debate here, and try to stay friendly on JW :D

[graywolf624]

Silicoln Valley Auto group
It's the enzo I sat in and have pictures of.. :)
glad to hear they sold it.

[ARMAN]

pics or STFU 8)

colorado, you wanna buy Enzo?