Tonight on Top Gear - 2004.12.12

[evoWalo]

Sunday, 8pm, BBC2 (actually 7pm)

There's another fantastic line-up on Top Gear this week, and it's on your screens on December 12:

# A Lamborghini Murcielago goes up against an Evo SQ400 (Supposed to be FQ-400 but I guess they cant spell)
# We take a look at the new Mustang
# The Toyota Prius gets Top Gear tested
# Porsche Boxster v Mercedes SLK
# There's the seventh instalment of Top Gear Restoration
# Roger Daltrey is the Star in the Reasonably Priced Car

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Looks to be a very interesting episode tonight. I really want to see how the FQ-400 does. I love the new Mustang's look. Isn't a Prius a green car/hybrid type thing? Boxster vs SLK looks to be entertaining. Overall this is better than last week's offering.

The question that I'm asking is is when the Stig will get his hands on the F430? :D

[DMbaseball1604]

sounds awesome..the rematch of the EVO with the murcielago should be very interesting, can't wait!

[tigerx]

looking forward to the mustang review :D. kinda sad that i don't think JC will like it very much already.

[DMbaseball1604]

looking forward to the mustang review :D. kinda sad that i don't think JC will like it very much already.

yeah, thats exactly what I was thinking..he doesn't like any American car he drives except for the GT40 and the new GT. I agree with a lot of the things he has to say about American cars, because he's right, but I would be VERY interested to see what he says about the Saleen S7.

[dingo]

sounds awesome..the rematch of the EVO with the murcielago should be very interesting, can't wait!

when did they compare them in the past.....did I miss an episode?

[FPVPSI]

^^ i think it was in the magazine...but i could be wrong...

-=Edit=- it might have been the Zonda... :?

[Toronto]

"There's the seventh instalment of Top Gear Restoration "

still don't get this they said last week it was the 5th and final one?

[dingo]

^^ i think it was in the magazine...but i could be wrong...

-=Edit=- it might have been the Zonda... :?

yep, I've seen the Zonda v Murci video, but never heard of a match with the Evo.

[Ghostbat]

Looking forward to see how the SLK can match the new Boxster.

[T-Bird]

for those who don't remember the Murcielago got it's ass handed to it by a Focus and the Zonda by the Evo FQ400 they were both in EVO magazine but the Murcielago vs Focus was also in Road and Track.

[dingo]

^ it was in the EVO magazine as far as I can tell from what T-Bird wrote.....so it won't be coming onto BT. :wink:

[Daggernite]

I would love to see the Evo win, I think it can, if not it will be close. I can't wait now, lets see what SAYC can really do on a car. Even if the Evo does lose, aint there a new limited edition EvoFQ that could put up a even better fight against the murci?

Edit - Sorry my mistake it is the FQ400 thats goin against the lambo, i thought it was the FQ330. I seriously can't wait now :D My bet is on the Evo!!

[No.1]

It's nice to see this topic, but we already have a topic calle "**Top Gear Breaking News**" in which a preview is always posted :wink:

Check it out here :arrow: http://www.motorworld.net/forum/showthread.php?t=18751

[Mers]

COOL, daltrey in the Liana...I love The Who..ireally wanna see this one!!!

[blah]

for those who don't remember the Murcielago got it's ass handed to it by a Focus and the Zonda by the Evo FQ400 they were both in EVO magazine but the Murcielago vs Focus was also in Road and Track.

Fraken Focus right? That thing is a beast, with that Cammer engine. I dont think the Murci is that slow though, i just think R&T cant drive, give both of those cars to Fast Fords and Muscle Mustangs, and i can almost garuntee almost a full second off, or maybe at the least .300 of the 1/4 times on both cars.

[dingo]

It doesn't seem they are comparing the Evo with the Murci, the vid in the vault only mentions the Evo..... :?

[crayzayjay]

Looking forward to see how the SLK can match the new Boxster.
Talk about the SLK getting its ass handed to it.... 4 seconds slower than the Boxster!

That FQ400 looked f***ing quick! :shock:

[crayzayjay]

FOR ANYONE WHO HAS YET TO SEE LAST NIGHT'S EPISODE OF TG, LOOK AWAY NOW AND DO NOT READ THIS POST.























Yes, the FQ400 looked to be quite easily keeping up with the Murcielago and was capable of overtaking at several instances. JC was driving the Mitsu, James Kay (touring car driver i think) was in the Murci.

[Wutputt]

It doesn't seem they are comparing the Evo with the Murci, the vid in the vault only mentions the Evo..... :?
They did tho ;)

[bmwmpower]

when will be M5 in top gear,

[Schwalbe]

when will be M5 in top gear,

I believed that we were going to see the E60 M5 review this season at Top Gear. I am disappointed...Perhaps the next season?

[bmwmpower]

on net is not program for whole season ?

[Anonymous]

I think he means is there a list of the contents of all the programmes content....... in which case the answer is no AFAIK...... though you can find listings up to boxing day on the net.... not sure how many episodes but check the ****TOP GEAR BREAKING NEWS **** thread or the top gear sub forums for the latest news.....

[aarhead]

i loved when he showed off the evo's horrible turning radius and it drove into the grass! :lol:

[PeleProdigyGTO]

LOL and the rental car beating it in the top gear pull from 30!

[possessed_beaver]

LOL and the rental car beating it in the top gear pull from 30!

comon you can't say that,
the exact same thing would happen with a formula 1 car if you where in 7th gear at 30km/h!

jeremy, as always was trying to make the car look crap.

[possessed_beaver]

LOL and the rental car beating it in the top gear pull from 30!

comon you can't say that,
the exact same thing would happen with a formula 1 car if you where in 7th gear at 30km/h!

jeremy, as always was trying to make the car look crap.

Taking all of this into consideration, isn't the FQ330 still a better buy?

yes it probley is the better buy, clarkson diden;t seem to be trying to demonstrate this, he just wanted to make the car look like a piece of crap (in some aspects)

[1zippo1]

I finally saw the episode aswell and it does seem that the more powerful EVO has more disadvanatges then advatagaes. But it was still very impressive how it kept up with the Murcielago.

Yep, same thing I thought but look at the times. The Murciélago is still quite a bit faster so how can the EVO with JC behind the wheel keep up so easily... sorry but it seems a bit like it's of a set-up.

I'm not saying the EVO is really fast and maybe nearly as fast as a Murciélago but I don't think they did this race thing for real. It looks to artificial IMO, they both should have their strong points. Here the EVO seemed to be better in the corners and on the straights... (take into account the difference between the drivers: the difference between Stig1 & Stig2 is allready huge. So how big should the difference be between JC and a touring car driver?) but how do you then explain the faster laptime?


I wouldn't be so sure of that watching the show...but who the hell is ever gonna put in 6th gear and drive around like that anway?

Another strage thing, the Fiat has a 1.6 and isn't that light, the EVO has a 2.0 Turbo. So even with the turbo lag, shouldn't the 2.0 outrun the 1.6. And it's not like it takes so long for any car to get into the good rev range... This is fake for sure! You can argue about the Murci vs EVO but this is just impossible.

[1zippo1]

Another strage thing, the Fiat has a 1.6 and isn't that light, the EVO has a 2.0 Turbo. So even with the turbo lag, shouldn't the 2.0 outrun the 1.6. And it's not like it takes so long for any car to get into the good rev range... This is fake for sure! You can argue about the Murci vs EVO but this is just impossible.

Actually I'm not so sure it's fake, there wouldn't be much point in it...
But as always, there's no way in telling unless you try it yourself. :wink:

Well try this: put your car in the highest gear and let the speed drop till just before the engine stalls. In the Toyota Yaris 1.0 of my mom I can go about 15km/h before that happens. Then apply full throttle and wait till the speed to build. The first couple of kilometers will take a long time, but you won't go very far since you're going so slowly (so you won't run out of runway that quickly). But after some 200 meters you'll surely pass 50km/h and the engine will start pulling. Just try it... It's true that it takes a long time to build up the revs but it's not like you'll need an airplane runway for them to build up... 400 meters max

[crayzayjay]

I dont think its fake. FQ has 6 gears vs Fiat's 5....

[possessed_beaver]

I wouldn't be so sure of that watching the show...but who the hell is ever gonna put in 6th gear and drive around like that anway?

Another strage thing, the Fiat has a 1.6 and isn't that light, the EVO has a 2.0 Turbo. So even with the turbo lag, shouldn't the 2.0 outrun the 1.6. And it's not like it takes so long for any car to get into the good rev range... This is fake for sure! You can argue about the Murci vs EVO but this is just impossible.

i think it's also to do with the gear ratio's
the fiat woulden't drive more then say 75miles an hour.
the evo is capeable of 135miles? the evo is equiped with short close ratio's for blistering acceleration (maybee it has been made more wider for the version with 400bhp) and the final ratio is designed for cruzing im guessing.

anyway, i think that a massive fucking turbo that the gearbox has been adjusted for is basicley the main cause..

and i also think it was a stupid point to make, i dien't see clarkson reverseparking a enzo..

[1zippo1]

i think it's also to do with the gear ratio's
the fiat woulden't drive more then say 75miles an hour.
the evo is capeable of 135miles? the evo is equiped with short close ratio's for blistering acceleration (maybee it has been made more wider for the version with 400bhp) and the final ratio is designed for cruzing im guessing.

anyway, i think that a massive fucking turbo that the gearbox has been adjusted for is basicley the main cause..

and i also think it was a stupid point to make, i dien't see clarkson reverseparking a enzo..

Yep, got your point. I can be mistaken of course, it just seemed very weird.

[TransAm]

Funny I test drove a WRX (not the STI, just the 225hp) some time ago and did exactly the same thing; foot to the floor in 5th at 30mph to see how it pulled from low revs, there really was just nothing there at all...

I'm not slagging off the WRX, as it's a great car, but as someone else pointed out, you don't buy a car like that to drive it at 30mph in top everywhere.

Now in the Trans Am... will pull from 850rpm in 6th gear and will take you from about 30-35 to 170 (ish). Unfortunately, that's not the only thing the Pontiac has in common with a tractor!