Only 4 stars for 5-serie in EuronCap

[Just_me]

1-serie 5 stars
A6 5 stars
5-serie 4 stars. 1-serie did better than 5-series

http://www.euroncap.com/content/safety_ratings/ratings.php?id1=6

[Wutputt]

5-serie 4 stars. 1-serie did better than 5-series
You may not compare ratings from different categories of cars. But it's idd a bit of shame the new 5 series didn't get a 5 star rating, since all of its main competitors have. But then again EuroNCAP isn't a 100% representative reflection of a car's real safety performance in every day life. And for the record I'm not a BMW fanatic ;)

[is64fun]

as far as i know, the measurements are done within certain physical datas like the g acceleration of the head, the pressure due to seatbelts and pressure on the pelvis etc... so they do not change from car to car. yes there is size difference between cars but the parameters that they are measuring for safety, are the same, so you can compare the results with the other ones. i think shame on bmw. the new 5 series is great loser with its hopeless interior and exterior and + SAFETY features. the best car on this segment is still E-class and the new A6

[Bilal786]

What did you think was gonna happen, with such emphasis placed on performance and lightweight aluminum parts, where did you think the sacrifices in budget would be made?

Yes, at the expense of owers' safety.

At least MB's cars are heavier for a reason, they use good ol steel for a reason...safety!

[thekillingroad]

Do you really care about the words of a company... Who declares cars are safer with speaking seat belt warnings..

No, MB isn't much safer.. Only PreSafe can make a difference...

[Just_me]

5-seriss was 3 points from getting 5 stars :cry:

[bmwmpower]

4 point isnt bad, but 5 better, for me is surprise that all new renaults had 5 stars,

[RC45]

Pedestrian Test Rating?

WTF?

How about stay off the cross walks... :P

[CSedl87]

What did you think was gonna happen, with such emphasis placed on performance and lightweight aluminum parts, where did you think the sacrifices in budget would be made?

Yes, at the expense of owers' safety.

At least MB's cars are heavier for a reason, they use good ol steel for a reason...safety!
Aluminum is stronger and lighter than steel. And what about the Mercedes infamous owner accounts of their E-classes just shutting off? I'm sure you can blame that on Mercedes cutting their costs. It goes either way bud.

[gobs3z]

It wouldn't stop me from buying it. Thats if i could.

[Wutputt]

Aluminum is stronger and lighter than steel.
For the record, aluminium isn't stronger than steel. Of course you can make a stronger structure in aliminium than in steel, but that depends on the geometry, material thinkness and connections between the different parts.

[is64fun]

What did you think was gonna happen, with such emphasis placed on performance and lightweight aluminum parts, where did you think the sacrifices in budget would be made?

Yes, at the expense of owers' safety.

At least MB's cars are heavier for a reason, they use good ol steel for a reason...safety!
Aluminum is stronger and lighter than steel. And what about the Mercedes infamous owner accounts of their E-classes just shutting off? I'm sure you can blame that on Mercedes cutting their costs. It goes either way bud.

i should learn some chemistry. different metals have different behaviour for collisions. i think the theory might be wrong.

[Fleischmann]

Ashame really...the margin is only 3 points. This car looses a lot in the eyes of potential buyers, who will now prefer to pick between the A6 and E class.

[BADMIHAI]

who will now prefer to pick between the A6 and E class.




...not if they want to get laid more. :lol:

[thekillingroad]

Pedestrian Test Rating?

WTF?

How about stay off the cross walks... :P

Ahahahahaha :)


This car kills the pedastrians it hit.. It's not safeeeeeee ahahahahahh

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Bsht... All renaults are safer than nearly all BMWs-AUDIs-MBs-VOLVOs... BLLSHT!!

[jakaracman]

That result dowsn't mean that 5 series is less safe than for example A6. It just means that it's less safe in that exact type of a crash. Who knows, what would happen if speed was 100% higher. Maybe A6 would fall apart and 5 would be OK? Many manufacturers design cars for best results in NCAP (Renault), but who knows what that means in real life. Accident statistics will tel someday ...
NCAP is a usefull guide to basic safety of a car, but anythig better than 3 stars is OK. You have to use your brain, NCAP is not everything.

[Wutputt]

Bsht... All renaults are safer than nearly all BMWs-AUDIs-MBs-VOLVOs... BLLSHT!!
It doesn't mean if one car has more star than another one the test results were better. First of all you may not compare the results of cars out of different EuroNCAP classes. Secondly you can't compare test before January 2002 and after January 2002, cause the standards for giving points were changed in January 2002. Thirdly it doesn't necessarily mean a 5 star car is safer than a 4 star car in every crash situation, like jakaracman pointed out.


BUT:

Many manufacturers design cars for best results in NCAP (Renault), but who knows what that means in real life. Accident statistics will tel someday ...

That's also not the case. Renault started to invest a lot in safety in the begin of the 90's. It started to pay of in the end of the 90's. And their modern cars are really safe (compared to other vehicles in their class), also in non EuroNCAP-crashes. Renault has a quite an advanced crash test centre. Not as advanced as Volvo's hightech one, but still advanced, and they crash test their cars in different angles and situations, which are not tested in EuroNCAP. Renault hasn't a big database full of accidents that happened with their cars, like Volvo or Saab. But thanks to modern technology like CAE and virtual prototyping, they can build very safe cars.

One thing you can condemn Renault for is the fact they use the good results they booked in the EuroNCAP test too much. They make too much fuss about their good EuroNCAP results, were in fact EuroNCAP tests aren't everything, like you said. In about every commercial they make they are bragging about their 5 stars. Volvo and Saab (for years known for their safe cars) on the other hand don't go knocking on everyone’s door, “hey look at our good crash test results”, they just are safe. You can hate Renault for that, but you can't ignore the fact their recent released cars are very safe, also in real life situations. But I personally think a Saab or Volvo out of the same class, is still a bit safer.

[jakaracman]

I've been to reanult safety research centre a few times, and I know how stuff works in auto industry. And I also know that some manufacturers (renault is not the only one) tend to fix their cars so they're better at NCAP at expense of safety in other types of crashes. That's why usually the car that are sold all over the world are worse than those sold only in Europe (and middle east and south americe, they don't have their crash tests). Reanult, Citroen ... do not sell cars in US, japan ...
What I'd like to see is a frontal between let's say Vel Satis and A6 (or E class) at 90 (limit on rural roads in most EU) kph each ...

[Gnome]

Aluminum is stronger and lighter than steel.
For the record, aluminium isn't stronger than steel. Of course you can make a stronger structure in aliminium than in steel, but that depends on the geometry, material thinkness and connections between the different parts.
True! How you construct your parts is at least as important as how strong the material is.

[thekillingroad]

VelSatis and the E60 are in same class...

Its not me giving the test of 2002-2004 in same class.. Its the Ncap...
They dont mention anything about the difference that customers should really pay attention to...


Also.. For crashes to wall...
We all think weight is advantage.. But in WALL CRASHES.. Its also a disadvantage...
The reaction of wall to E60 will be higher to it reacts to VelSatis.. Why dont they mention it? Bllsht.....