View Full Version : The real top speed champion
FordGTGuy
10-15-2004, 09:04 PM
The new Shelby cobra if its goes into production is promised to be capable of 265+ mph but on the other hand Veyron is to go 260+ what do you put your money on?
SFDMALEX
10-15-2004, 09:23 PM
BUllshit info. 420kmh needs a good shit load of downforce to be anywere near controllable. Has to be a really wide car. SOmething like the 917.
There is no way that the new cobra is gonna go anywere near that speed. You need shit loads of BHP and a good aero body for some grip......I doubt it will have either.
where did u get that info about the cobra!?!?
doesn't sound too likely to me....
jorge
10-15-2004, 09:37 PM
I didn´t know that info, but IMO neither of those cars are going to do more than 260 mph. :|
FordGTGuy
10-15-2004, 09:39 PM
I'm just running off site rumors.
http://www.allfordmustangs.com/artman/publish/article_327.shtml
again here
http://www.supercars.net/cars/2004@$Ford@$Shelby%20Cobra%20Conceptx.html
and here again
http://www.stangnet.com/2005shelbycobraconcept/
Drivetrain
Layout Mid-front engine, rear transmission, rear-wheel-drive
Transmission
Type Ricardo 6-speed transaxle
Gear Ratios Theoretical top speed at redline
1st 2.60:1 64 mph
2nd 1.70:1 98 mph
3rd 1.23:1 135 mph
4th 0.95:1 175 mph
5th 0.76:1 219 mph
6th 0.63:1 267 mph
Reverse 3.14:1
Final Drive 3.36:1 limited slip
T-Bird
10-15-2004, 09:42 PM
umm first off the car DOES NOT have a transaxle in it.
And gearing and aerodynamics are two very different things the car may be able to do it if you change the body. And when they were building the car on Rides it appeared to have the tranny on the engine not at the rear.
sameerrao
10-15-2004, 09:44 PM
Well theoretical top speed based purely on gearing is not that reliable. First of all it is a roadster so cant be that aero efficient. The car is likely to hit an aerodynamic wall well before that... I mena it is not the first car to pack 500+ horsepower is it and how many other 267 mph cars do we know of in that category ?
We'll see when the car finally comes out...
DeMoN
10-15-2004, 10:04 PM
I really dont think that is possible. ME 4 12 maybe?
Well theoretical top speed based purely on gearing is not that reliable. First of all it is a roadster so cant be that aero efficient. The car is likely to hit an aerodynamic wall well before that... I mena it is not the first car to pack 500+ horsepower is it and how many other 267 mph cars do we know of in that category ?
We'll see when the car finally comes out...
Yep - sounds like they may be about 600hp short to even consider running in that neighbourhood... ;)... ;)
JoeHahn
10-15-2004, 11:04 PM
Instruments include a 220-mph speedometer
220 mph with 605 bhp isnt unachievable but its pretty unbelievable. They also said it has a theoretical top speed of more than 260mph. I dont know where the hell they pull that bullshit because I dont think this car has a drag coefficient anything different to a normal car. This car could hit 260mph with 605 bhp if it was like the 1930's streamline cars but thats just rediculous
sentra_dude
10-15-2004, 11:04 PM
The new Shelby cobra if its goes into production is promised to be capable of 265+ mph but on the other hand Veyron is to go 260+ what do you put your money on?
Umm...and you thought this:
Based on the engine’s 7,500-rpm redline and the drive ratios, this Ford Shelby Cobra concept has a theoretical top speed of more than 260 mph
meant "promised" topspeed? :roll: Its a convertible with 600hp dude...think a little bit...
nthfinity
10-16-2004, 10:15 AM
umm first off the car DOES NOT have a transaxle in it.
And gearing and aerodynamics are two very different things the car may be able to do it if you change the body. And when they were building the car on Rides it appeared to have the tranny on the engine not at the rear.
um... first of, the Concept DOES have a transaxle in it :roll:
also, if the Ford GT could max out 6th... i believe the ratios are quite similar.
and i dont believe this car could go hugely above 200mph if made a production car, based on aero.
DanielW
10-16-2004, 11:05 AM
top speed based on gear ratios is pure BS. It doesn't consider the drag coeficient, or anything like that. 6th gear in my vette is so tall that it's should hit well into 200.
also the number on the speedometer doesn't mean shit. the speedo in my vette goes up to 200, and there's no way in hell I'm gonna hit tha speed with the stoc power.
T-Bird
10-16-2004, 01:23 PM
umm first off the car DOES NOT have a transaxle in it.
And gearing and aerodynamics are two very different things the car may be able to do it if you change the body. And when they were building the car on Rides it appeared to have the tranny on the engine not at the rear.
um... first of, the Concept DOES have a transaxle in it :roll:
also, if the Ford GT could max out 6th... i believe the ratios are quite similar.
and i dont believe this car could go hugely above 200mph if made a production car, based on aero.
How does it have a transaxle? the engine is in the front and the drive wheels are in the back if the trans is in the back it is most likely a seperate unit from the axle in the rear much like on the Corvette where the Tranny and rear differential are sperate and bolted together. you see transaxles in AWD, FWD and Rear/mid engine cars rarely on front engine rear wheel drive cars.
FordGTGuy
10-16-2004, 05:57 PM
sorry didn't mean to start an arguement just wanted to know everyones views.
In my oppinion theirs no way in hell. shit the GT-90 had 1200 hp v-12 and only reached 235 mph. :oops:
Vansquish
10-16-2004, 06:07 PM
sorry didn't mean to start an arguement just wanted to know everyones views.
In my oppinion theirs no way in hell. shit the GT-90 had 1200 hp v-12 and only reached 235 mph. :oops:
Where the fuck are you getting your numbers? The GT-90 had a 720bhp quad turbo V12, not a 1200bhp one, and it never completed top speed testing, the limit that was set on the car was 40mph because it was a concept car and had no real engineering so far as the aerodynamics and chassis were concerned.
jorge
10-16-2004, 06:13 PM
The Koenigsegg CCR is starting to sell, and IMO it´s the only serious car at this moment capable of going around 250 mph. But of course it has to be proved....
The Koenigsegg CCR is starting to sell, and IMO it´s the only serious car at this moment capable of going around 250 mph. But of course it has to be proved....
yeh, and i seriously cannot wait for the day they do prove it!!
FordGTGuy
10-16-2004, 10:44 PM
i thought the ccr was at 245? limit or is that the cc?
nthfinity
10-16-2004, 11:06 PM
How does it have a transaxle? the engine is in the front and the drive wheels are in the back if the trans is in the back it is most likely a seperate unit from the axle in the rear much like on the Corvette where the Tranny and rear differential are sperate and bolted together. you see transaxles in AWD, FWD and Rear/mid engine cars rarely on front engine rear wheel drive cars.
i do believe you may have answered your own question... the transmission is on the rear wheels to atchieve a 50/50 wieght distrabution for the concept car
noliebro
10-17-2004, 01:54 AM
wow, i wish it was that easy, Companies like Bugatti and Koenigsegg spend a lot of time on aerodynamics and then Ford comes out with a car that is about as aerodynamic as an Audi TT and it goes 260mph, Sarcasm :roll:
Just remember it can ahppen though.. :P
In 1988 Callaway went 255 mph in this "overweight plastic leafspring bathtub".. ;)
http://www.fast-autos.net/callaway/sh.jpg
http://www.fast-autos.net/callaway/sh2.jpg
yg60m
10-17-2004, 02:42 AM
Oh yes, the Callaway Sledgehammer isn't it ? A 880 bhp twin-turbo engine and a top speed of 400 km/h +
SFDMALEX
10-17-2004, 11:38 AM
Just remember it can ahppen though.. :P
In 1988 Callaway went 255 mph in this "overweight plastic leafspring bathtub".. ;)
http://www.fast-autos.net/callaway/sh.jpg
http://www.fast-autos.net/callaway/sh2.jpg
But look at it mate. Doesnt matter if it went 300mph, its still a brutal looking overweight plastic leafspring bathtub.
BADMIHAI
10-18-2004, 06:33 PM
This topic is more proof of how big of an idiot FordGTGuy really is. :|
noliebro
10-18-2004, 07:29 PM
^^^^^^^
This topic is more proof of how big of an idiot FordGTGuy really is.
harsh, real harsh, half true, but harsh :?
This topic is more proof of how big of an idiot FordGTGuy really is. :|
just misinformed. You gotta remember how it was when you were his age, There is alot of maturing that happens between his age and ours.
Vansquish
10-18-2004, 08:26 PM
This topic is more proof of how big of an idiot FordGTGuy really is. :|
just misinformed. You gotta remember how it was when you were his age, There is alot of maturing that happens between his age and ours.
Misinformed is one thing, but spitting out blatantly incorrect facts and then sticking to them is just dumb. You've only got a year on him (or so the profile thingies seem to say) but you're much more reasonable than he seems to be.
The Veyron's quoted top speed is 252mph, the Ford Shelby cobra concept, with a mere 605bhp is geared to do a theoretical 267mph...HOWEVER, its aerodynamics would NEVER allow it to do such speeds, at least not with anything near the power it has now.
Skaala
11-07-2004, 10:39 AM
265+ does'nt sound very likely...... but who knows? :?
nthfinity
11-07-2004, 03:54 PM
mabey to put it into easy terms...
the amount of air pushing against the car is 16 times greater then what you would feel traveling at 67mph.
SPEEDKILLAR
11-07-2004, 04:01 PM
BS.
Vansquish
11-07-2004, 04:05 PM
BS.
LOL...BS w.r.t. to what exactly?
number77
11-08-2004, 03:09 PM
no big name manufacturer will build a convertable that goes over 200mph. the general rule of thumb is around 180mph. ford also doesn't have the budget to build a car like this.
nthfinity
11-08-2004, 08:04 PM
no big name manufacturer will build a convertable that goes over 200mph. the general rule of thumb is around 180mph. ford also doesn't have the budget to build a car like this.
sure they do ;)
ikon2003
12-25-2004, 09:53 PM
Neither the veyron nor the ford will be hitting 260mph, unfortunately. (though i think it would be cool if we had some car that could...). I find the "brutal looking overweight plastic leafspring bathtub" rather intriguing, and it begs the question (pragmatism aside), YTF can't we make cars that can attain those velocities now? If it was doable in 1988...
number77
12-26-2004, 03:16 AM
the shelby cobra will go into production, i have confirmation on that. but i doubt it will go 265+ they usually try to keep convertables under 200mph. ford really doesn't have the money to be building this. i have talk to someone in the "know," and the ford GT is enough. apparently they are wanting to do a double punch on GM. but at least i got the documentation of this car being built on the "daisy" platform
Fleischmann
12-26-2004, 05:27 AM
http://www.kick-asscars.com/pics/2010-2/concept-ford-shelby-cobra.jpg
Can anyone tell me how a car with this shape would be able to max out over 265mph??
BS. It hasn't got nearly enough downforce.
FordGTGuy
12-26-2004, 10:20 AM
hmmmm what an asshole. I knew it would never go that fast as a convertible. Do you think I'm retarded?. Veyrons is in the same bucket designing for form then fuction so this would never go its promised speed at its corrent design. I was only argueing the gearing stats that were given that the car has the potential to reach 267+ in its gearing stats maxed out in last gear. But the same goes with the veyron do you have any living proof that this car goes this fast?
FordGTGuy
12-26-2004, 10:22 AM
This topic is more proof of how big of an idiot FordGTGuy really is. :|
this is proof how much bahmihai hates me and i bet he already put this thread in the hall of shame like an asshole.
dingo
12-26-2004, 10:34 AM
No, it doesn't look like he has. :wink:
So - in the end we seem to have a winner.... at 255.1mph the Sledgehammer is the undisputed heavyweight champ of the world... :twisted:
0X :fist: 0X :fist:
Everyone else is either measurably slower or just "theoretically faster".. :)
Gotta love them old technology cars... heheheh :lol: hehehee
bmwmpower
12-26-2004, 05:28 PM
Yes, incredible,
Some statistics 656.2 kw / 880.0 hp 1589 kg
Top Speed 409.9 kph / 254.7 mph 0 - 60 mph 3.9 seconds
great, so old car, and that speed, but what about Big Boy Veyron
bmagni
12-26-2004, 07:17 PM
arent we talking bout the fastest priduction car ??? not tuned or anything similar to that ???
i guess the sledgehammer proves that even if u have a car thats not designed for high speeds u can make even a corvette faster than a mclaren, so take that mclaren fans ! hahaha
FordGTGuy
12-26-2004, 07:18 PM
lol that makes RC45 so warm inside
ikon2003
01-02-2005, 07:01 PM
Interesting where this thread has gone....
Well, in the interest of continuing to bash newer, more modern cars and flaunt the old rusted buckets of mechanical engineering how about the 1938 Mercedes-Benz W125 ?
Supercars.net has a section for the road legal cars with the highest top speed. The Sledgehammer is on there.... but it's #2, behind this 1930's Mercedes.
1. 433 kph / 269.1 mph 1938 Mercedes-Benz W125 Record
2. 409.9 kph / 254.7 mph 1988 Chevrolet Callaway Sledgehammer Corvette
1938?????!!!! 269.1mph?????!!!
SFDMALEX
01-02-2005, 07:07 PM
So - in the end we seem to have a winner.... at 255.1mph the Sledgehammer is the undisputed heavyweight champ of the world... :twisted:
0X :fist: 0X :fist:
Everyone else is either measurably slower or just "theoretically faster".. :)
Gotta love them old technology cars... heheheh :lol: hehehee
Its not a full blast production car. Its a modded Vette. So that wont work.
Lets talk about production cars. Fastest straight out of the factory. And not some one off or 5 car production run.
nthfinity
01-03-2005, 03:49 AM
67 is a lot closer to 5 then 5,000... let alone 399 ;)
sooooo... since 5,000 is way much less close to 5 then 399 is... then the Ford GT eclipses anything as the Worlds Fastest Production Car! ;)
TeflonTron
01-18-2005, 04:18 PM
What is the top speed of the Ford GT? A Murcielago will hand it its ass in a race.
As for tuned cars and their top speed, the Gemballa tuned Diablo VT Roadster hit a confirmed 410km/h or 255mp/h and it would rip the Callaway in half when it comes to straight line acceleration or going around a bend.
FordGTGuy
01-19-2005, 07:56 AM
Teflon I don't think so the Ford GT goes .2 secs slower than an Enzo in a 1/4 mile and the Top speed is electronically set at 205 mph but 216 mph has been reached at Nardo.
nthfinity
01-19-2005, 08:45 AM
212mph @ nardo with the silver/black stripes GT, the yellow/black stripes hit 209 mph when it had about 7,000 miles on it, the silver/black one was fairly well 'worn' in as well.
it is concievable that the GT would hit 216 if there was no banking, but it 'only' was 212mph at its top end.
dont forget, the gt. vs murcialago comparison, i think is fairly good... the two cars have similar weights, and simlar power ratings... so a comparison is inevitable. one is ferocious, and the other is easy to drive ;)
TeflonTron
01-19-2005, 12:52 PM
Hmm. I actually agree strongly with you, nthfinity: it is a good comparison between the two cars. However, pre-production numbers have to be taken with a huge pinch of salt: what makes it onto the road is all that is important. I would be interested to see how the two cars compare in say 0-60, 0-100, 0-150 and on a racetrack: both twisty and long straightaways.
FordGTGuy
01-19-2005, 03:33 PM
yeah but have fun trying to to get your hands on the cars and testing them.
TeflonTron
01-20-2005, 08:22 AM
LOL. If I get them I'll make a few vids!
FordGTGuy
01-20-2005, 10:03 AM
be sure to get back to me.
What is the top speed of the Ford GT? A Murcielago will hand it its ass in a race.
As for tuned cars and their top speed, the Gemballa tuned Diablo VT Roadster hit a confirmed 410km/h or 255mp/h and it would rip the Callaway in half when it comes to straight line acceleration or going around a bend.
BAsed on what?
I smell bovine excrement.
TeflonTron
01-21-2005, 11:43 AM
What is the top speed of the Ford GT? A Murcielago will hand it its ass in a race.
As for tuned cars and their top speed, the Gemballa tuned Diablo VT Roadster hit a confirmed 410km/h or 255mp/h and it would rip the Callaway in half when it comes to straight line acceleration or going around a bend.
BAsed on what?
I smell bovine excrement.
Based on testing at Nardo. A Diablo with 900BHP is a mean beast indeed.
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