Whos car is best!?!?!

[hemi_fan]

I wanna know whos car is putting out:
1. The most power.
2. The fastest 1/4 Miles.
3. The rarest car.
and 4. The nicest paintjob/customization.

Please post your vehicles specs on here to see how your vehicle compares to some of the other JW rides. have fun!

[gis]

change your questions to :

1.the least power
2.the slowest 1/4 mile
3.the rarest car (kept the same coz other countrys dont have them)
4.nicest paintjob/customization

then i win most of them :D the first 2 anyway,lol

90hp
0-60 in roughly 9 seconds
top speed 115-120mph
1/4....................................ill start now and get back to you on that one :D

[hemi_fan]

hahaha, those stats sound similar to my dad's 92 accord. But... since you posted first, you are technically winning in all categories. lmao

[jon_s]

Ooooooooo, gis, I think my 1.25 Fiesta is close on your heels!

92bhp (hehehehe)
0-60, fook knows, too long
1/4 :shock:

hehe, once I pay off all my deabts form Uni e.t.c I shall change car, but untill then ZETEC POWER lol :P

[gis]

lol,close battle between me and u dude.but really the 1.25 fiesta has 92hp.thats pretty good,i never knew that

[1zippo1]

I just looked it up and the fiesta 1.25 has 75hp. Or did you tune it?

I usually drive my moms car and it is just a little bit slower then a granny on a bike :P

Toyota Yaris 1.0 69hp 0-60 about 12 sec.

The car has little wheels and loses grip quite easily. The fun thing about that is you can toy with it a little in first gear.

[jon_s]

It has been tuned, nothing major but it has been:

Chipped
PBV'd (increase fuel)
K+N'd (don't do much)
Full Exhaust system (no, it does not have a huge exhaust, and no it does not sound like I am doing 70mph, when I am doing 30mph)
Cams.

Combination of Cams and Chip did the most. The 92bhp came from a rolling road session. However, they are not the be all and end all, as results can vary upto a shocking 20% :shock: At the end of the day it is a 1.25, so is not going to be quick! lol, but I just like fiddling around with engines.

If I cannot afford a new car any time soon, I might put a Racing Puma's Engine in it. Good for 150bhp (rough) standard. If not a real Racing Puma's (they are rare as fook!) then one can have a standard 1.7 built to racing spec. Oh and just another idea, a light pressure turbo is avaliable for the 1.7, which would bring it to around 200bhp, but I doubt I would ever do that. In fact I would much prefere to sell it and get something quick. :?

[gis]

hmmm,you done quiet a few things to your fiesta then,but again,the car will be fun along twisty country roads,just like the saxo

we will have to meet up in the future jon and have a little saxo vs fiesta race,country road style :wink:

i was thinkin bout some simple mods in the coming months,maybe after xmas,get the same as what u did,what u think i be lookin at hp wise after that,bout 115-120hp would u say?

[jon_s]

Still think you would wint that one, especially if you did a few engine mods..........and I will have a look into it mate, I will get an idea on prices too for you. I have not done much to the car to change the look of it. There are no silly spoilers, 4 exhausts e.t.c

[gis]

hey,thanks for that dude,id appreciate havin a rough price idea.

if i left the car as it is now,i think we would have one hell of a fun race,with the mods,hmmm,we will have to see. :wink:

im the same as u,i dont want the outside of the car to look different,as for the exhaust,i seen a nice single one,i think its a 2 1/2 inch one,maybe 3 inch,im not sure,but its by magnex im sure and the name of that style is called "imola" i think

[jon_s]

right, I will have prices for you in a couple of days as I have a silly busy Monday and Tuesday!! Anyway, to start with, sort out the exhaust. Don't just get a back box, as that will do fuck all!! Replacing the whole system on the other hand does a lot. Especially a free flow one, which includes the manifold. That would, from reading about, would release around 5bhp, combine that with an induction kit or pannel filter (there are arguments for both) would start to push 10bhp, I have yet to see any confirmed figures for that, but I can find them. That is really about all the easy mods that can be done, chipping, I will look into for your car, in terms of gains, price usually around errr, hummm, well mine cost £150--I think! lol, man I can't remember lol But the combination of a full system, filter and a chip, could see you touching 110bhp. Again, I will look for some definate figures, as I don't know a lot about Saxos' reaction to engine mods. Anyway, as I said, Wed, I will get you a little list and prices. 8)




p.s sorry for taking this thread over!!! I will start a new one!! Dunno if it is possible to move reply's about...TT?? Anyway, till Wed!!

[gis]

that be great mate,thanks.
i read a few months ago in a car magazine,i dunno if it was max power or not,well,one of the writers of the magazine had a saxo vtr for a while and he had a combo of a certain filter and a certain exhaust and he had a dyno proven gain of 25hp from the filter and exhaust,i thought it was crazy at first,but i guess its true if they saw it.

ive looked into the cams for the saxo VTR (pipercams) and for the cam only it costs £230 and for the cam full kit it costs £339.now that is quite some money,for sumthin that says will gain me UP TO 20hp,now i know the saxo wont gain that much,knowin my luck i will pay the full £339 and gain 1hp lol

[TT]

..knowin my luck i will pay the full £339 and gain 1hp lol

You know you can actually fuck completely up the power delivery too :) and obtain a max of around 91 at let's say 6500 rpm, but have something like 35 up to 5000 ;) and even worst for torque ;)

No seriously... I already saw some dyno graphs that yes, had an higher max power compared to the stock car, but with the line full of "hole", with even the graph falling in the lower revs for a while... and so on...

And I prefer to have X hp with a fully useable power delivery than an high placed X+20 hp where you always have to keep the car high in the revs to use both torque and power ;)

About the topic

My E36 320i has 150 hp stock, I just added a Remus sport muffler, and don't expect that figure to change that much ;)
0-100 km/h (62 mph), mesured by me, is around 9.9 (official figures by BMW is 9.8, but BMW is always conservative, so I think my data can be true)
No idea about the quarter miles.. that sort of things doesn't exists around here and I don't really care :P

[gis]

yeah i know what u mean TT,i dont really wanna spend that ammount of money on sumthin that will mess up the car completely,i hear that cams can be a tricky thing when you lookin for serious power from an engine.to be honest,id be quite happy with filter,exhaust and the car chipping.one guy at a garage my dad knows said the chip they can get increases the redline from 6200rpm to 6700rpm (VTS redline) i dunno of that will make the car any better,or faster for that means.

any ideas?

[1zippo1]

The cars wich you can tune the most effective performance/cost speaking are turbo diesels. With just a chip you can easily add about 30 hp and also important, about 50NM of torque! VW TDI's in particular are pretty popular engine's to tune.

[fedezyl]

As far as I know if you change the cams you may want to go for fully adjusteable ones, also changing the cams alone is not going to give you that much power, you really have to change for lighter forged pistons, to bring the rpm redline higher thus having a broather power band, plus having a custom made intake and exhaust manifold, and then you'll start getting some serious power from playing with camshaft settings, in conclusion, changing the camshafts changes the whole way an engine breathes, and it's power band, it really depends on what use of your car you want, a really aggressive camshaft will give you better high end power, but the low end torque will suffer....
If I were you I would go for a turbo...not to many changes in engine configuration to get more power and then, if you really want to have some serious output new camshafts and exhaust will do the trick...

[gis]

turbo = drooooooool,but unfortunately,the insurance company will send me the big hand down the phone and giv me a good bitch slappin for bein so stupid for even askin,lol

all i would really want,is just a little bit more ummmph,i know its stupid sayin that in my car,but the car is fun in and out of corners,id like it to be that little bit more fun.id be happy with aiming for a 15-20hp gain,maybe little bit more if possible.

[fedezyl]

Heheh, I see what you mean about the turbo, I guess I didn't thought about it that well...heh
ok, here's what you can do, chips, usually car manufacturers derate their engines by the means of chips, in order to have lower fuel consumption and emisions in detriment of performance, so, it depends also on the engine, the other thing is...Camshafts, even though they may be tricky, if you raise the redline to 7500 rpm's you can get some good extra power with some good tweaking and not necessarely neglect the low end power...obviously, not having a continousely changing camshaft, you will sacrifice some low end torque for some high end power...it's just up to you to sacrifice some "driveability" for some performance..

[TT]

But I'm not sure if I'd go with a chip rising the redline.. even if only 200 rpm... it would be better something rising slightly the peak power (same redline) and improving the midrange power and torque...

[gis]

hmmmmm,id love a 7500rpm redline,that be sweet,that would be 1300rpm raise from what it is now.i dont really wanna lose some low end torque,as thats were the most fun is on the saxo,in and out of corners,and if u mean by drivability losin handlin on the car,i dont wanna do that either as the handlin is funny and great on it.

i dont want to be spendin a fortune either on the car,when i think bout it,whats the point of goin crazy on mods with the VTR when the faster VTS is there.after tryin my luck racin a VTS,the key word in that bein TRYIN,i thought,shit thats much quicker,and i didnt want to be spendin shit loads just to get equal performance of a stock VTS,u know what i mean?

[TT]

You make me remember a very nice feature years ago in evo :D

They were testing "basic models" against top of the range.. you know, a Miata 1.6 and a 1.8, a Saxo VTR and a VTS, and giving you the list of mods you have to do to the "poorest" brother to make it visually like the big brother LOL!

And obviously the VTR - VTS was the best couple, the VTR beeing exactly the same car.. the just stated you need some VTS and 16V badges ;)

But I guess that's not what you're searching for :P

[fedezyl]

As Clarkson said, if you want to tune a car to make it fast, you better start with a fast one to begin with...
I'm just giving ideas though to get more power....
I beleive your engine is the 8v 1.6 liter...so, it's normal that it has more mid range torque and kinda runs out of breath at high rpm's, I think if you are going to change the camshafts you definetely need to change the redline, otherwise it's not worth it...
I meant driveability to the fact that you don't have to get to 3500 rpm's to get some decent acceleration of the red light...like a honda...
So, in conclusion, it's temptating to tune your car, it's fun...but...think about what you're starting with and if it's worth it...maybe with the money you save you can start with something fast...thus with more potential..

[gis]

You make me remember a very nice feature years ago in evo :D

They were testing "basic models" against top of the range.. you know, a Miata 1.6 and a 1.8, a Saxo VTR and a VTS, and giving you the list of mods you have to do to the "poorest" brother to make it visually like the big brother LOL!

And obviously the VTR - VTS was the best couple, the VTR beeing exactly the same car.. the just stated you need some VTS and 16V badges ;)

But I guess that's not what you're searching for :P

sounds like a nice feature,do u have that scanned in dude,id like to see it,if u dont mind :)
who knows maybe with the VTS badge and 16v badge,i may gain the power difference between the VTR and VTS from that,lol :P

fedezyl,yes it is a 1.6 8v SOHC, i know what your sayin and it does make sense,i appreciate the info your all givin.doing any serious mods on the car,really,puts me in a class of stupid because money goin into it to make it quicker will basically just get me to the point of a stock VTS,i really just want some simple mods,maybe help it breathe a little better,around the country lanes,2nd and 3rd,and lil bit of 4th is what is best,and in 2nd and 3rd its when its more fun so id liek just that little extra hp to just m ake it a little bit more fun as it will be a little longer b4 a true faster car can be had in my possesion due to insurance reasons and things im doin and sortin in my life b4 earnin some good money.but helpin me get this VTR that little bit more fun is what im aiming for.

when the VTS comes along,then i could make it fast by of course,the route of forced induction

[fedezyl]

Cool, I get your idea...
thing you can do yourself, by a new filter, K&N or something like that, now...do kind of a custom job that you can do yourself, try to get some sort of ram air intake, or help your filter get some fresh air, you can use some tubes and do it yourself, for cheap, the other thing would be a catback exhaust....if you can get it for cheap get a custom one, as well as a new muffler, that should do the trick for some 4-5 bhp...

[TT]

Hehe, new filter + custom works to make it have more hair are the mods I had in mind when I wrote about messed up dyno graphs...

A guy I know, owning a Civic VTI did something similar, installing a "manifold" to take more air right to the filter through the fog lamp hole.. and well.. with it, yes, the peak power was higher, but on the lower revs the car is completely killed.. if he closes the custom manifold, power and couple at low revs are higher than stock, but higher in the revs, it has less power than stock... so basically, it's not easy to do something like that in the proper way.. and you'll have to try to change a little, put the car on the dyno, see the result, change another little bit and so on, untill you get the wanted result...

[gis]

custom ram air,sounds good but from what TT said seems complicated to get workin right.i dont really wanna be messin around with the range of power throught the revs,i mean,the car isnt exactly a rocket ship now,lol.i dont want it to be slower from a stop.

[hemi_fan]

O man, this is very... very sad. The highest vehicle Horsepower posted on here is 150? 9.9 0-60? lol, anyone got a Ford Taurus, or maybe a Plymouth Voyageur with 200hp? Right now my dads Honda Pilot owns you all... 245hp, not sure on torque. The thing is geared pretty low so the 0-60 should be pretty good for an SUV, i woulnt be surprised if it was in the 7-8 second range. Someone has to have something powerful around here. Wheres Jabba and his exotics? lol

[fedezyl]

I though that a longer manifold lenght for the intake benefits low end torque and a short one for high rpm breathing, that's what they did in my car, a series of valves open and close depending on rpm's and throttle load, so at full throttle the short intake manifold is used, and more torque is produced...I don't have the dyno chart's here, but i'll post them soon..
Also, on the ram air effect, it depend's on the intake manifold design, I know on Mooney Airplanes, they had this manual valve to activate in flight, a ram air valve, that would give the engine an extra Inch of manifold pressure, and on the newer models it's only a 1/3 of an inch...wich is nothing, so it really depends on the design of the manifold to take advantage of the ram air effect
..

[gis]

yeah but u gotta remember were either first time drivers like myself,with my first car and no money and people who have either no money coz they are students.insurance is another factor,u come to the UK and insure your car and i promise to take u to the hospital after u had heart failure from shock :P

[fedezyl]

well about the two cars you mentioned, the Honda Pilot and the Voyager, both yes have good horsepower, but they are also very heavy, power is not as important as power to weight ratio, if you want to see something fast with 156 bhp look at the lotus elise, and you'll see what I mean...
And I agree with gis, most of us are young, thus without money and high insurance costs...so low BHP cars....for now... :wink:

[TT]

O man, this is very... very sad. The highest vehicle Horsepower posted on here is 150? 9.9 0-60? lol, anyone got a Ford Taurus, or maybe a Plymouth Voyageur with 200hp? Right now my dads Honda Pilot owns you all... 245hp, not sure on torque. The thing is geared pretty low so the 0-60 should be pretty good for an SUV, i woulnt be surprised if it was in the 7-8 second range. Someone has to have something powerful around here. Wheres Jabba and his exotics? lol

And BTW, I don't think your dad is registered here.. what about YOUR car? :P

[draak666]

And BTW, I don't think your dad is registered here.. what about YOUR car? :P
LMAO :D You're right, TT. Daddies don't count.

[gis]

O man, this is very... very sad. The highest vehicle Horsepower posted on here is 150? 9.9 0-60? lol, anyone got a Ford Taurus, or maybe a Plymouth Voyageur with 200hp? Right now my dads Honda Pilot owns you all... 245hp, not sure on torque. The thing is geared pretty low so the 0-60 should be pretty good for an SUV, i woulnt be surprised if it was in the 7-8 second range. Someone has to have something powerful around here. Wheres Jabba and his exotics? lol

And BTW, I don't think your dad is registered here.. what about YOUR car? :P

LOL,ah yes,that never went through my mind at the time,your car.what is it hemi_fan. :P

[jon_s]

Ooooooooh we talking about daddy's car now!! lol, that is sad! I am insured on my dad's car, but that still don't count! but it develops 305bhp, and you can see what it looks like at


http://www.saab-performance.com/

:wink:

[novass]

my 63 Nova is puttin out about 400hp. i havent had a chance to time it with the new enigine. i bought it with a 283ci, i only got the chance to time it once, and that was with no interior. it ran a high 13 like that. i put a 355ci in it a few years ago, but i dont drive it that often so it doesnt have too many miles on it. never dyno'd it, but the guy that helped me put the engine together has been building engines for a long time, so when he said 400hp i had no reason to doubt him, especially since i said i would expect nothing less LOL. as for its looks, it looks stock with different rims, painted orange, fairly new paint, but i would like to paint it again soon.

im hoping to get another project car really soon which i plan to turn into my road race car, since the Nova doesnt really handle too well, and i would like to turn the Nova into more of a strip car, first thing would be new rear end, gears, 4 link suspension and to tub it. i will be happy when it runs 11 or lower and i could still drive it on the street every now and then. only thing is, the closet drag strip that allows street cars is pretty far away and the altitude is too high so the air is too thin, kills almost a second off your et. i could really use a trailer and tow vehicle too.

my other car is a bone stock '01 Audi A4 1.8T Quattro. 170hp, i think im gonna get a boost controller really soon, which should add about 25-30hp, should liven things up a bit, but it would take more money then im willing to spend on that car to make it really fast, good for just driving tho, and the AWD is nice to play with in the rain, snow, dirt, etc.

[hemi_fan]

the reason why Im mentioning my dads vehicles is cuz... I dont have a car yet. im 16, but I live in Canada, and we have graduated liscencing, so I cant get my "Liscence" for another5 months or so. I have wut they call a G1, which is basically a beginners. BUT you dont need money to get a relatively fast car. Im looking to buy an 87-93 5.0L mustang for my first car. They average around $3500-$4000 CDN, thats about the cost of the insurrance each year also. BUT my dad's 92 Honda Accord will actually only cost $80 less than the mustang. The fact that the stang is a preformance car really makes little difference in the insurrance cost. The only MAJOR disadvantage is that I'll have to pay at least double the amount for gas, becaust the Honda gets 38mpg, and the Stang will prolly get 13-17ish. But i want something fun to boot around in. :) Im not really looking to buy a car until about Feb., but i'll post it as soon as i get one. lol

[jon_s]

sorry gis, been busy--AGAIN!!--, will get some prices sprted for the weekend.....I hope lol

[gis]

lol,no problem dude,whenever your ready mate

[hemi_fan]

Nova SS, ur car sounds awesome... got any pics or clips of it in action???

[novass]

sadly i only have pics of my car. ive been meaning to take it down to the beach for a better background but ive been busy. i still need to get a video camera too, hopefully my parents will be nice this christmas :D

click this link for pics of my car. its all the way down at the bottom, you cant miss it....its orange! lol :D

http://jabbasworld.com/viewtopic.php?t=453&start=0

[Porsche911r101]

then i win most of them the first 2 anyway,lol

90hp
0-60 in roughly 9 seconds
top speed 115-120mph

My car has 60 hp, so I win. Peugeot 306 1.4 XN

Btw, even thos cams only cost 350, the labour for fitting of them is about 600, and u need Air Intake, full exhaust system(id reccomend Scorpion Boxer), Chip, pulleys ect ect...

Maybe just leave it standard and wait. When im 20 Im having a Supra TT (yes i am paying 9500 for insurance ;))

[gis]

no way will u pay 9500 for insurance,i love the supra more than anythin,but i wouldnt pay that much for insurance,but seriously i doubt u would get insurance at that age on a TT supra.

the scorpion boxer,if i remember correctly thats the exhaust that is loud as fuck,i dont want a car thats all noise and u can hear it from a mile away.my supra will be different :D

[dangerously_cool]

aww i think nova beat me. but my car is close. check it out. http://www.cardomain.com/member_pages/view_page.pl?page_id=369569&poll_action=view

[WhiteP]

i think, no, i KNOW i got you all beat.

my vehicle is the best!! better than jabba's 355!!!

0-60, thats for losers. how practicle is a 2-seater ferrari??? my vehicle has got that beat. i use it everyday to go to school and its totally reliable. i could bring more babes than just one that jabba can fit in his ferrari. mine is a useful people carrier and good lookin too. i put a link so you all can see it. its does for aerodynamics what homeless man does for society, ABSOLUTEY NOTHING!!!

http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?17915

[PaulGT2164]

hrmm audi runs low low 8s in the 1/8th mile, and low 12s in the quarter, 400+ hp

my celica runs higher 8s in the 1/8th, high 12s in the quarter, 300+ hp

my 240SX with the stock motor would prolly run high 10s in the 1/8th till it gets its SR20DET, then it gets 100 more hp with the stock sr20det

the corolla doesnt run..yet =) i am building a 300+hp 3SGTE to put in it =) hrmm 2000lb car, 300+ hp..should be very similair to the celica in performance

[SDK2003]

Nothing special but I’ll post anyway :)

Puma 1.7

125bhp
Weight - 1041kg
0-60 - 8.5 secs
0-100 - 25.6 secs
EVO Magazine - 5 Stars :)

The car is built as a fun driver’s car not an all out fastest straight line run car

[hemi_fan]

dangerously_cool, very nice SRT-4. I hear those are pretty quick. good value too... too bad its a chrysler product. My parents have had a few chryslers... not exactly the most reliable cars. and Justin_Syder, ur ryde is sick. U should put a disco ball and water bed in the 2nd half of it. lol

[DR.GONZO]

well me not the nicest , fastest (yet) a rb uc 67 coug hope fully too look like my sig in time and a blazer that's in the work's of having some shit done too it real soon for a daily! Can't compete with most of you guy's here until the rod 67 is done!

[novass]

well me not the nicest , fastest (yet) a rb uc 67 coug hope fully too look like my sig in time and a blazer that's in the work's of having some shit done too it real soon for a daily! Can't compete with most of you guy's here until the rod 67 is done!

you gonna go all original with the 67? what kind of engine you thinking about putting in there?

[hemi_fan]

67 cougars are SO nice, If you can afford it id suggest a 428 SCJ... but its kinda impractical as teh car probably has an already decent 302 in it... am i rite?

[Epic2112]

hemi_fan, you didn't post the stats of your car ;)

Here's mine:

My Porsche
1. ~250 hp
2. I don't drag race
3. There are plenty
4. I'm keeping the looks just about completely stock.

My BMW
1. ~200 hp
2. See above
3. It's rare enough that you don't usually see them on the street.
4. Keeping the entire car pretty close to stock (I have an aftermarket loom for the ignition wires, that's about it :D)

[hemi_fan]

hemi_fan, you didn't post the stats of your car ;)

Im still in the market for a car right now. But dont worry, once I get one I'll be posting pics all over this forum. lol

[joaR]

Joining in :D

Engine:

4-inline, 2157ccm, 212 PS @ 7200 rpm, 215Nm @ 6700rpm, 98.3 PS per litre

Compression ratio: 11:1

Brakes: front: 300 mm disc, rear: 260 mm disc

Gearbox: 5-Speed

Kerb weight: 1405 kg

On the Race Track:

Acceleration:

(0-100 km/h): 7.2 sec (0-160 km/h): 20.1 secs

Max. Speed: 228 km/h (142 mph)

[SPEEDKILLAR]

I think my(wel actually my dads, he's the owner and I'm the driver) BENZ E 400 CDI is the winner around here, a lot of tourque

[SPEEDKILLAR]

V8, 4L, bi-turbo, 191kW/260hp, 560nM@1700rpm-2600rpm, 18:1, 0-100km/h takes 6.5 secounds, 60-120 takes 6.3, oooh and it is very fuel eficient(if you stick to the speedlimits)10 litres per 100 kilometres, Max speed is 250km/h(electronically limited). Curb weight, well Its still a Benz, 1835kg
Cruising Machine, loves the highway. 8)

[gottacatchup]

BMW Z3 Coupe 2.8
193 bhp
1/4 mile in 14.9 seconds
its completely stock

http://www.jabbasworld.net/photopost/data/2/4116102-0259_IMG.JPG

[dangerously_cool]

my car's getting faster. :D