Seat Ibiza Tdi (UPDATE)

[SamuraiGti]

Finally I took some pictures of the car.


http://www.megagaleria.com/pictures/Pic_1642_16.jpg
http://www.megagaleria.com/pictures/Pic_1642_17.jpg

http://serv2.imagehigh.com/imgss/4780419_foto0024hj.jpg



Model : Seat Ibiza 1.9 Tdi 90cv Signo (Van)
Bought in 09/1999

Specs : Original - 90hp, 210Nm
Upsolute - 116hp, 260Nm

Strong Points : Engine, Consumption.

Weak Points : Chassis, interior plastics, original suspension.

Service : Oil change every 15.000kms, Service every 30.000kms.

Problems : Bad insonorization, irritating interior noises.

Odometer: 248.000kms and counting... :D

Mods:
:arrow: Exterior :

Cupra Front (bumper, grills and headlights)
Sideskirts (sport version)
Wipers Bosch Aerotwin
GT Tdi Wheels

:arrow: Engine :

Green Air Filter
Cat OFF
Silencer OFF
EGR off fisically and electronically
Chip by Upsolute.


:arrow: Security :

Discs ATE Powerdisc
Pads ATE
Michelin Pilot Exalto 195/50/R15 (front)
Michelin Pilot Exalto 2 195/50/R15 (back)


:arrow: Others :

Radio Sony MP3
Audi Stile Key

[TT]

but forgot the most important Embarassed the one with the keys or the books of the car. I'll take one later, bur for now I leave these =)

.. but for now I will close this topic...

[TT]

Thanks for the custom shot dude ;)

[gottacatchup]

I've always wondered if these cars are actually decent, i see em all the time when i go to europe but i have no info on em. How do you like the car? is it more sport or just economical hatch?

[sikx5]

What do you drive thamar?

Nice car dude, great on fuel econmey

[gis]

its a nice lookin car

thamar drives a clio :D ive never encountered one of these in a race though

[SamuraiGti]

When is full of diesel i can make about 1000/1100kms =)

Thamar, it dependes on what clio =P lol

Mine is just two seat (van) it's cheaper. tomorrow i'll take one pic of the division that it has,

[mclaren_Gt]

yea looking good :D

[TT]

When is full of diesel i can make about 1000/1100kms =)

Thamar, it dependes on what clio =P lol

Mine is just two seat (van) it's cheaper. tomorrow i'll take one pic of the division that it has,

1100 km between refueling stops is sick dude :D LOL my average is probably in the 450 with a 60 liters tank :D

[gis]

on a sensible drive i can get between 400-500 miles on a full tank :mrgreen:

[SamuraiGti]

My tank only takes about 35lts to get full.

Thamar it's true =P but i don't think that you get much distance from me ;)

[gis]

thats ok SamuraiGti he can pull away from you then ill be pulin away from him :fist: sorry thamar couldnt resist :mrgreen: LOL :wink:

[gis]

LOL we should do the nordschliefe thing anyway.

[sikx5]

LOL im in :twisted:

[SamuraiGti]

Hmm... it's better start getting some money to go with you, with some luck and i go with the samurai =P lol

brum brum, and is turned upside down lol =P

[SamuraiGti]

unfortunatly i had an acident with the car and i've been without it for some time. Last tuesday i pick it up fixed. Enjoy!

Before:
http://www.megagaleria.com/pictures/Pic_1642_9.jpg

After:
http://www.megagaleria.com/pictures/Pic_3230_1.jpg
http://www.megagaleria.com/pictures/Pic_3230_2.jpg
http://www.megagaleria.com/pictures/Pic_3230_3.jpg
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http://www.megagaleria.com/pictures/Pic_3230_8.jpg
http://www.megagaleria.com/pictures/Pic_3230_9.jpg
http://www.megagaleria.com/pictures/Pic_3230_10.jpg
http://www.megagaleria.com/pictures/Pic_3230_11.jpg

[gis]

as far as i know espen the seat ibiza came in a 1.9 tdi cupra version....im not sure if this one of his is the cupra version though as the cupra version is 158hp :D

[gis]

i gotta say i do agree with you espen......i see many of the saxo with VTR badges on them when theya re a 1.4 or 1.1........its just liek me adding a VTS badge....but if i went after one,i woudlnt succeed,lol

[SamuraiGti]

If it was my choose the badge wasn't there, it already came fixed on it, i can't take it of because it's stuck.

Before you could choose with or without the badge, now they're all with the badge.

I choose the cupra front because it looks better than the normal, and the difference between the prices of the normal and the cupra was minimal.

I don't like rice things, and I don't consider this a rice thing. Only people that know's notice the difference, normal people think's that is the same.

I think that with the cupra front, looks more discret.

[SamuraiGti]

Some new pics that I took a few days ago :wink:

http://img231.exs.cx/img231/4387/fotosibiza162050015yn.th.jpg (http://img231.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img231&image=fotosibiza162050015yn.jpg)
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http://img231.exs.cx/img231/6030/fotosibiza162050032vf.th.jpg (http://img231.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img231&image=fotosibiza162050032vf.jpg)
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http://img231.exs.cx/img231/8449/fotosibiza162050089ti.th.jpg (http://img231.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img231&image=fotosibiza162050089ti.jpg)
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My front brake discs and my new front tires:

http://img112.exs.cx/img112/6293/pneusibiza0093zz.th.jpg (http://img112.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img112&image=pneusibiza0093zz.jpg)
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http://img112.exs.cx/img112/4610/pneusibiza0083dm.th.jpg (http://img112.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img112&image=pneusibiza0083dm.jpg)

[SamuraiGti]

After six months of buying the side skirts from the sport version, finally I put them on the car :D

Here it is, enjoy! :wink:

http://img303.imageshack.us/img303/528/fotos0050qa.th.jpg (http://img303.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fotos0050qa.jpg)
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http://img303.imageshack.us/img303/6769/fotos0075le.th.jpg (http://img303.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fotos0075le.jpg)

http://img303.imageshack.us/img303/8655/fotos0062ae.th.jpg (http://img303.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fotos0062ae.jpg)

[SamuraiGti]

The bumper was painted, the skirts are on the original color, black plastic color.

No money for now to paint them :?

[SamuraiGti]

Koni Sport Kit + H&R springs -40mm on the way :wink:

Probably will be mounted on the car in one or two weeks.

Next will be the upgrade of braking.

Actual brake disc size is 256mm and the one i'm going to place is 280mm from the tdi110/cupra version.

Cupra R has 312mm Brembo Brakes :drool:

[gis]

should be good with the koni/H&R combo is gonna be good,handling is gonna be sweet.

im surprised you havent chipped it yet :)

[SamuraiGti]

Nah, I've already think in that some times, but when I look to the number of kilometers, i get out of the ideia lol

Now is with 237.800kms :wink:

Turbo, Clutch and evertything else from when he was new.

[SamuraiGti]

Here it is a foto of the odometer some time ago.

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/7076/fundo0028kp.jpg

[gis]

lol ouch thats bloody good though,i was gutted when mine went over to 38k miles,lol but i guess thats the advantage of a looked after diesel engine,so 214k k/m is what....like 150k miles?

to keep me reminded of my hard time of 38k miles my cousin sent me this that he took of it

http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/1614/dsc003713yi.th.jpg (http://img226.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc003713yi.jpg)

[LotusGT1]

The Ibizia has the same chassis, engine & suspension setup as the VW Golf. And their buildquality isn't what it's supposed to be.
I know a lot of people complaining about their Seat, and telling it was the last time they bought a Seat...

The seat Ibiza is built on the the chassis of the Polo, not the Golf.

I only hear positive things about Seat, they sell like hotcakes too over here. Anyway, car looks nice!

[SamuraiGti]

Yes, that corresponds about 120k miles

[SamuraiGti]

Update:

Chip Inside :D

By the page of the company that make this chips...

----------------------------------------------- Original ----------- Upsolute
Engine size --------------------------------- 1896 ----------- 1896
Compression ------------------------------- 19.5:1 ----------- 19.5:1
Power (hp) --------------------------------- 90 hp ----------- 116 hp
Power (kW) -------------------------------- 66 kW ----------- 85 kW
Torque (ft/lb) ------------------------------ 155 ft/lb ----------- 195 ft/lb
Torque (NM) ------------------------------- 210 NM ----------- 265 NM
Max Speed -------------------------- 113 mph (180 km/h) ----------- 120 mph(192kmh/h)
Fuel consum. 56 mph (90kmh) 56 mpg (4.2 l/100km) ----------- 57 mpg (4.1 l/100km)
Fuel consum. 75mph (120kmh) 41 mpg (5.8 l/100km) ----------- 42 mpg (5.6 l/100km)
Fuel consum. city 39 mpg (6.1 l/100km) ----------- 41 mpg(5.8 l/100km)

http://serv2.imagehigh.com/imgss/4780372_fotos024800x600us3.jpg

[TopGearNL]

/\/\ more power :twisted:

[SamuraiGti]

Now i don't drive so much, about 10k kms a year.
i've got public transports to university that is more cheaper at the end of the month.

Before it was about 30k kms a year, about 150€ of diesel per month.

This file, is the standard file from upsolute. Give's a little more power but nothing too hard.

Turbo pressure stock is about 0,9bar, now has a peak of 1,2bar and stabilize at 1,1 bar.

[gis]

lol im gonna save the pic of the mileage youve done to show my mate,he doesnt beleive a diesel when looked after will do mileage like that,what is 248,645 km in miles?

[TT]

Hehe, I hope the mods really equates to what you got.

The police here in my area checked many many cars lately, to stop illegal tuning. In Switzerland if you mod your car you need to pass again the test that allows your car to be registered, especially for pollution tests. 20% more power and you need the manufacturer to certificate through a garage the car is still safe and useable on the road. many laws everybody ignore, so many ppl were busted.

They aim at chip tuning, which is damn common in Italy and here, especially on diesels. "funny" thing: several chipped car once tested revealed much higher fuel consumption and same exact power as stock when not even LESS!

i hope it's not your case!

[mevistox5]

I agree with TT here. Chiptuning can be tricky both in reliability and claimed performance figures. From the commnt I see that it allows a higher boostlevel. So it has probably overridden the max boost setting from factory. Keep in mind that factory set these for safety and emmission reasons.

Be aware that there can be some complications with higher boostlevels such as ignitionsettings (wrong settings causing detonation), fuelsetting (isn't it running too lean and has the fuelpump enough capacity and can the stock internals cope with the higher boostlevels (need stronger ARP bolts?) etc.

I'm not saying this might be the case for you, but more in general it is what you have to take into account when one thinks about chiptuning.

Nico

[TopGearNL]

Yep, you got to balance performance and fuel economy, is that little bit extra power worth alot more petrol, if thats the deal... :bah:

[gis]

ive said before about my friends fiat punto,his chip cost £499 and was done and tested on a rolling road and produced 135hp,35 increase from stock.he has now driven the car for 24k miles and has had no problem with the car or lost any of the magic diesel mpg,averaging about 43mpg around town and a few blasts on straight roads,on motorways that 43mpg will increase.....so i guess the chip tuning is gettin it done by the right people

[cooperluke]

lol im gonna save the pic of the mileage youve done to show my mate,he doesnt beleive a diesel when looked after will do mileage like that,what is 248,645 km in miles?

You're kidding, right???

There are cars with a looot more mileage!! :D

"A Portuguese taxi that drove for a million kilometers (621,371 miles)without needing to have its engine replaced, but whose original taxi color has unfortunately been painted over, "

In this page:
http://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/0,1518,416896,00.html

[cooperluke]

And... for you to see that this is not only with Mercedes, here is a video of an Opel Corsa 1.5td just like mine (not mine though) with around 240000kms and beating 180km/h!! :D

Opel Corsa 1.5 TD TRT Portugal (Stock car) - YouTube

Mine has 190000kms. :D

[TopGearNL]

We have alot of ex mercedes taxis in Holland, many of them have done over 1 Million Kms

[SamuraiGti]

several chipped car once tested revealed much higher fuel consumption and same exact power as stock when not even LESS!

That's what I was thinking - more power usually means more fuel... :?

That's why I did not tune the Meriva... 112hp were tempting over the standard 100hp - but the power increase didn't justify the worse fuel economy :?

I hope you got at least what you were looking for :bah:

Driving normally, the consumption is the same. I've done some tests and i can do 200km with 10€ of diesel, thing that I used to do before the chip.

But when you want to go faster,of course that the consumption will go very high :wink:

For now, my clutch is the original one, and no big signs of wear, of course that in some time i'll have to change because of the mileage that it has.

About turbo, it's the original too, the pressure that makes doesn't compromise anything.

Some carefull things to do to keep the car right, like reduce the time/mileage of oil change, after going fast let the car rest a little before turning off etc etc.

The chip that I've put on the car, is to substitute the original maps, what they do is a complete remap of the ecu, and explores the security margin that probably all engine's have.

These maps are the standard files from upsolute, nothing very hard and is to keep fiability :wink:

[SamuraiGti]

lol im gonna save the pic of the mileage youve done to show my mate,he doesnt beleive a diesel when looked after will do mileage like that,what is 248,645 km in miles?

249k kms is about 155k miles.

[mevistox5]

so i guess the chip tuning is gettin it done by the right people

Yep, that's the motto. The only thing you have to do is to find the one that really makes the difference.

Nico

[SamuraiGti]

My chip was installed by the guy who takes care of the electronic in the racing vw tdi in the uk.

Don't remember the name of the Championship, they were champions this year.

[TopGearNL]

My chip was installed by the guy who takes care of the electronic in the racing vw tdi in the uk.

Don't remember the name of the Championship, they were champions this year.

Sounds like an expert :wink:

[SamuraiGti]

My chip was installed by the guy who takes care of the electronic in the racing vw tdi in the uk.

Don't remember the name of the Championship, they were champions this year.

Sounds like an expert :wink:

For example, he and his friends prepared a car like mine that had about 272hp, unfortunatly he had an accident. (base car= tdi 110hp).

[TopGearNL]

My chip was installed by the guy who takes care of the electronic in the racing vw tdi in the uk.

Don't remember the name of the Championship, they were champions this year.

Sounds like an expert :wink:

For example, he and his friends prepared a car like mine that had about 272hp, unfortunatly he had an accident. (base car= tdi 110hp).

Thats insane :shock: :D

Would cost alot too I guess..

[gis]

162hp increase,with a TDI i woudlnt expect it to cost a huge ammount to get that power as it would on a petrol NA or even petrol turbo car,from what i gather a diesel can handle a good ammount of boost,so for that 162hp gain i suppose they changed the turbo,intercooler,exhaust,induction and with the bigger turbo the ECU being tuned again with a bigger turbo would have gained a nice ammount of power

[TopGearNL]

162hp increase,with a TDI i woudlnt expect it to cost a huge ammount to get that power as it would on a petrol NA or even petrol turbo car,from what i gather a diesel can handle a good ammount of boost,so for that 162hp gain i suppose they changed the turbo,intercooler,exhaust,induction and with the bigger turbo the ECU being tuned again with a bigger turbo would have gained a nice ammount of power

EDITED: My bad :oops: :wink:

[sameerrao]

^^ Divide by 1.6

[gis]

162hp increase,with a TDI i woudlnt expect it to cost a huge ammount to get that power as it would on a petrol NA or even petrol turbo car,from what i gather a diesel can handle a good ammount of boost,so for that 162hp gain i suppose they changed the turbo,intercooler,exhaust,induction and with the bigger turbo the ECU being tuned again with a bigger turbo would have gained a nice ammount of power

EDITED: My bad :oops: :wink:

lol i could be wrong but i think thats the whole bonus of diesel tuning.as they work well with ECU tuning,when my mate got his chipped we went to a place in derby called DERV,they specialise in diesel tuning,the 2 owners one having a chipped BMW 330d with 255hp and his mate had a pugeout 306 TDI,started with 90hp but had 190hp,220 with nitrous,but he was ayin the key to gettin it higher power was a bigger turbo and the right ECU map. :D

[TopGearNL]

162hp increase,with a TDI i woudlnt expect it to cost a huge ammount to get that power as it would on a petrol NA or even petrol turbo car,from what i gather a diesel can handle a good ammount of boost,so for that 162hp gain i suppose they changed the turbo,intercooler,exhaust,induction and with the bigger turbo the ECU being tuned again with a bigger turbo would have gained a nice ammount of power

EDITED: My bad :oops: :wink:

lol i could be wrong but i think thats the whole bonus of diesel tuning.as they work well with ECU tuning,when my mate got his chipped we went to a place in derby called DERV,they specialise in diesel tuning,the 2 owners one having a chipped BMW 330d with 255hp and his mate had a pugeout 306 TDI,started with 90hp but had 190hp,220 with nitrous,but he was ayin the key to gettin it higher power was a bigger turbo and the right ECU map. :D

Ah I see :D

Well as long as you let it do by experts you should be fine

[SamuraiGti]

Just testing 4th at 80km/h, passing to 5th at 150km/h.

Bad quality because of cell phone, my battery charger of the camera got a tilt! eheh

YouTube

[TopGearNL]

Whats the speedlimit in Portugal?

[cooperluke]

120km/h... but we Portuguese are a bit nuts...
:D
Our cruise speed at the highways is around 140-150km/h.... LOL, and every guy with a Seat Ibiza TDI has passed 200km/h... LOLOL

People who have Ibiza's are even more nuts...

My cousin has a Seat IbizaTDI 130cv, chipped and with some mods on turbo and ic, and the he has taken it to 250km/h, on the speedo... ON A IBIZA!!! Nuts....