The VZ Commodore

[dingo]

Holden have just released the new range of Commodores, called the VZ. Its only a 'facelift' on the previous model when you look at the exterior but the cars get an all new 3.6L quad-cam V6 engine and gearbox (with paddles) and the cars now have ESP (V6 models only, not the Gen III V8's).
For the full details go here: http://www.webwombat.com.au/motoring/news_reports/holden-vz-commodore.htm

SS:
http://www.webwombat.com.au/motoring/news_reports/images/VZSS-1.jpg
SV6:
http://www.webwombat.com.au/motoring/news_reports/images/VZSV6-2.jpg
Caprice:
http://www.webwombat.com.au/motoring/news_reports/images/VZCap-1.jpg
Pressure-sensitive LED brake lights:
http://www.webwombat.com.au/motoring/news_reports/images/holden-vz-92.JPG

I think they look great and they now have an engine that matches what the Falcon (Ford) has in terms of power and smoothness/effeciency. I'm looking forward to see what HSV can do with them. :D
What do you guys think about it?

[cho_888]

ah there all the same lol. a nice aston martin vent on teh side of the ss

[dingo]

Yes I noticed that too, a very nice touch I think.

[SilviaEvo]

specs?

[yg60m]

I like Holdens, when you think that they share the last Opel Omega !! They look much better !! Sportier and classier. + you have big V8 :wink:

[dingo]

specs?

At your service:

There are two versions of the V6

- 190kW @ 6500rpm
Torque: 340Nm @ 3200rpm

- Power: 175kW @ 6000rpm
Torque: 320Nm @ 2800rpm

Configuration: 3.6-litre, 60-degree DOHC V6

Displacement: 3564cc

Additional features:

Pressure-actuated piston-cooling oil jets
Extended-life sparkplugs, coolant, accessory belts
Cartridge-style, top-access oil filter
Oil-level sensor
Teflon crankshaft oil seal
Wide-range oxygen sensors (Alloytec 190)

The 5.7L Gen III V8 has 250kW in the SS and the HSV's will have even more but that hasn't been released yet. The Series II VZ will get the 6.0-litre Gen IV engine.

[oantob]

I like the SS, but somehow the front headlamps looks like the new Subaru legacy (IMO)...but overall it looks great and also that side vent, just like the mustang svt

[TransAm]

I like Holdens, when you think that they share the last Opel Omega !! They look much better !! Sportier and classier. + you have big V8 :wink:

My thoughts entirely, although it's a Vauxhall Omega in the UK :wink: which is also badged as a Cadillac Catera in the USA...

USA
http://img35.exs.cx/img35/6968/catera.jpg

UK
http://img11.exs.cx/img11/4466/VAUXHALL_OMEGA_2.jpg

A little boring of me but someone might be half interested :shock:

[Xploded]

Well personaly I think Holden has done another good job, there main update was the engine line up but I must say well done to Holden again for putting together another kick ass car he he :D :D :D

There's a big write up in this months motor about it Dingo, I havent had the chance to read it yet. Had a quick look and it looks nice he he.

Thanks for sharing the info once again.

Best Regards - Xploded

[martin100]

Those Holdens look much better than the old ones. Great job :!:

[oantob]

Pressure-sensitive LED brake lights ?? maybe when we step on the brake pedal hard, then the brake lights will get brighter... (IMO)

[enfermin]

nice car............(never herd of it)


love the black one.....................

[dingo]

Well personaly I think Holden has done another good job, there main update was the engine line up but I must say well done to Holden again for putting together another kick ass car he he :D :D :D

There's a big write up in this months motor about it Dingo, I havent had the chance to read it yet. Had a quick look and it looks nice he he.

Thanks for sharing the info once again.

Best Regards - Xploded

Thanks for the info Xploded...will look out for it and maybe even buy it.:wink:



Pressure-sensitive LED brake lights ?? maybe when we step on the brake pedal hard, then the brake lights will get brighter... (IMO)

Was that a question or are you explaining it for us? That is the point of them, that they get brighter the harder you brake.

[possessed_beaver]

ah there all the same lol. a nice aston martin vent on teh side of the ss

yes i rely liked it, i wonder what motor magazine will have to say on the new car.

it is quite funny how holden use to be nothing like the europian car makers, but now evrey day they seem more and more like them.

[SilviaEvo]

At your service:

There are two versions of the V6

- 190kW @ 6500rpm
Torque: 340Nm @ 3200rpm

- Power: 175kW @ 6000rpm
Torque: 320Nm @ 2800rpm

Configuration: 3.6-litre, 60-degree DOHC V6

Displacement: 3564cc

Additional features:

Pressure-actuated piston-cooling oil jets
Extended-life sparkplugs, coolant, accessory belts
Cartridge-style, top-access oil filter
Oil-level sensor
Teflon crankshaft oil seal
Wide-range oxygen sensors (Alloytec 190)

The 5.7L Gen III V8 has 250kW in the SS and the HSV's will have even more but that hasn't been released yet. The Series II VZ will get the 6.0-litre Gen IV engine

Not that horrible i suppose but HSV :twisted:

[Xploded]

Yer well if I get some time on the weekend ill do some scans from the mag and post them up.

[Nik^XeN]

its a nice car.. are his comparators going to be Impreza and Evo?

[Regie]

I'm overseas at the moment and so am not getting any info about the Aus automotive scene. Thanks for the post dingo.

I'll go out on a limb and say this car will take back the mantle from Ford for both build quality and refinement - the current BA (Falcon) beats the VX/VY (Commodore) hands down. Especially if the new alloy V6 lives up to the hype (boy have those Awstralian journos been pumping it up).

It is about time we got some decent 6 cylinder engines.

[HeilSvenska]

I want Holdens in US. although part of the same company, Chevy isn't really doing well with its car design. Nasty Impalas.

[sikx5]

POS.......they should all be trashed......

[Xploded]

Well I read a review in the paper the other day think it was the age any ways they compared the new VZ against a BA and in the end they liked the BA but only by the slimist margin, they also liked the Fords engine abit more but I might do some scans from motor of the artical. I havent read it my self yet but it should be a good review from motor no doubts.

But its about time Holden got a new six :D :D :D

More from me latter, hopefully next it will be some scans.

Best Regards - Xploded

[Regie]

POS.......they should all be trashed......
Thats a bit harsh IMO.

I aint a big fan of the large sedans a la Commodore of Falcon, but one good thing about them, which alot of the American sedans seem to be lacking - rear wheel drive. Also, the 'power' versions (HSV R8 & Ford XR6T + Ford GT) are great value at the price they are sold.

The fact that they are rudimentary (i.e. not too many electronic aids that make the driver's ability seem better than what it really is) also appeals to me as one can have oodles of fun playing with slip angles.

Furthermore, if one has a boat, nothing beats a big NA V8 for towing ability.

That being said, I don't think I would buy one unless I had a couple of kids or a boat to cart around.

[possessed_beaver]

its a nice car.. are his comparators going to be Impreza and Evo?

nah cuz the evo and wrx would whoop it.
the commadore is just a family car with mums, but has a bit of grunt.

the SS models are still aimed rely at familys.

with the HSV's been still aimed at familys, with the ocasional rich old man with 2 much money.

[altezza]

more pics:

http://img38.exs.cx/img38/5241/VZcommodoreSS_046.th.jpg (http://img38.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img38&image=VZcommodoreSS_046.jpg)
http://img38.exs.cx/img38/6671/VZcommodoreSS_047.th.jpg (http://img38.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img38&image=VZcommodoreSS_047.jpg)
http://img38.exs.cx/img38/4539/VZcommodoreSS_048.th.jpg (http://img38.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img38&image=VZcommodoreSS_048.jpg)
http://img38.exs.cx/img38/5674/VZcommodoreSS_049.th.jpg (http://img38.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img38&image=VZcommodoreSS_049.jpg)
http://img38.exs.cx/img38/9379/VZcommodoreSS_050.th.jpg (http://img38.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img38&image=VZcommodoreSS_050.jpg)
http://img38.exs.cx/img38/1442/VZcommodoreSS_051.th.jpg (http://img38.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img38&image=VZcommodoreSS_051.jpg)
http://img59.exs.cx/img59/6658/VZcommodoreSS_052.th.jpg (http://img59.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img59&image=VZcommodoreSS_052.jpg)
http://img59.exs.cx/img59/1239/VZcommodoreSS_053.th.jpg (http://img59.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img59&image=VZcommodoreSS_053.jpg)
http://img59.exs.cx/img59/5527/VZcommodoreSS_054.th.jpg (http://img59.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img59&image=VZcommodoreSS_054.jpg)
http://img59.exs.cx/img59/1520/VZcommodoreSS_056.th.jpg (http://img59.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img59&image=VZcommodoreSS_056.jpg)
http://img59.exs.cx/img59/5535/VZcommodoreSS_057.th.jpg (http://img59.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img59&image=VZcommodoreSS_057.jpg)
http://img23.exs.cx/img23/8779/VZcommodoreSS_058.th.jpg (http://img23.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img23&image=VZcommodoreSS_058.jpg)
http://img23.exs.cx/img23/8198/VZcommodoreSS_059.th.jpg (http://img23.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img23&image=VZcommodoreSS_059.jpg)
http://img23.exs.cx/img23/3606/VZcommodoreSS_060.th.jpg (http://img23.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img23&image=VZcommodoreSS_060.jpg)
http://img23.exs.cx/img23/4717/VZcommodoreSS_062.th.jpg (http://img23.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img23&image=VZcommodoreSS_062.jpg)

http://img20.exs.cx/img20/9827/VZCommodoreSV6_001.th.jpg (http://img20.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img20&image=VZCommodoreSV6_001.jpg)
http://img20.exs.cx/img20/9931/VZCommodoreSV6_002.th.jpg (http://img20.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img20&image=VZCommodoreSV6_002.jpg)
http://img20.exs.cx/img20/2402/VZCommodoreSV6_003.th.jpg (http://img20.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img20&image=VZCommodoreSV6_003.jpg)
http://img20.exs.cx/img20/9776/VZCommodoreSV6_004.th.jpg (http://img20.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img20&image=VZCommodoreSV6_004.jpg)
http://img20.exs.cx/img20/1052/VZCommodoreSV6_005.th.jpg (http://img20.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img20&image=VZCommodoreSV6_005.jpg)
http://img29.exs.cx/img29/6425/VZCommodoreSV6_006.th.jpg (http://img29.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img29&image=VZCommodoreSV6_006.jpg)

http://img29.exs.cx/img29/8478/VZCommodoreSV6_008.th.jpg (http://img29.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img29&image=VZCommodoreSV6_008.jpg)
http://img29.exs.cx/img29/5448/VZCommodoreSV6_009.th.jpg (http://img29.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img29&image=VZCommodoreSV6_009.jpg)


http://img26.exs.cx/img26/1655/VZCommodoreSV6_026.th.jpg (http://img26.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img26&image=VZCommodoreSV6_026.jpg)
http://img29.exs.cx/img29/221/VZCommodoreSV6_027.th.jpg (http://img29.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img29&image=VZCommodoreSV6_027.jpg)

http://img29.exs.cx/img29/5736/VZcommodoreSV8_064.th.jpg (http://img29.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img29&image=VZcommodoreSV8_064.jpg)
http://img69.exs.cx/img69/7669/VZcommodoreSV8_065.th.jpg (http://img69.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img69&image=VZcommodoreSV8_065.jpg)
http://img69.exs.cx/img69/2483/VZcommodoreSV8_066.th.jpg (http://img69.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img69&image=VZcommodoreSV8_066.jpg)
http://img69.exs.cx/img69/497/VZcommodoreSV8_067.th.jpg (http://img69.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img69&image=VZcommodoreSV8_067.jpg)
http://img57.exs.cx/img57/9828/VZcommodoreSV8_068.th.jpg (http://img57.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img57&image=VZcommodoreSV8_068.jpg)

p.s. additional pics will be added on later today

[dingo]

its a nice car.. are his comparators going to be Impreza and Evo?

No, like beaver said those cars are in a different class. Its main competitors in Australia will be the BA Falcon, Mitsubishi Magna and the Toyota Camry. :wink:


POS.......they should all be trashed......

Well I will except that comment since you backed it up with so many facts and good reasons. :P

Thanks altezza for the pics, very nice ones which I haven't seen yet. :D

[cho_888]

i woudl say the magna and camry are in a differnt class. the Ba and this dont really fit into any class. lol

[Regie]

i woudl say the magna and camry are in a differnt class.
Front wheel drive?

[Ford Capri 2.8i]

I share the opinion below as well....the car looks great(for instance, i love a lot that original Opel Omega shape which the Holden shape comes from)...and the biggest thing of the commodores for me; they have big engines, rear wheel drive, very affordable cars, and the mors important of the things...it doesnt have as many electronic aids as any current sedan european has, which means that the car is driven by the driver rather than the car, therefore the driving sensations on limit are more exciting, and the weight of the car is much less as well, with some positive influence when starting to pass through a curve, and when braking a car when descending a mountainous twisty road

[Xploded]

wow thanks for those big pics, there awesom ..... also by the way I got around to doing some scans there in this thread if any you guys wanna check em out.

http://www.motorworld.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15554

[noliebro]

not bad, i wish we had the Ford Falcon in the US :(

[tobiasreaper]

Holden commodores are about as reliable as cars get. They're all "meat and pie" technology and solid as rocks. Shame they had to rip off the Aston Martin air vents on the vz

[mclaren_Gt]

look likes a monaro with 4 doors

[Regie]

look likes a monaro with 4 doors
Other way around dude.
The Monaro is basically a Coomodore, minus two doors. ;)

[SupraPolak]

^^^ Here here! :D

And their quality isn't getting better, it's getting worse. Believe it or not, the VT model actually had less defects than the current crop of VY and VZs!!

[testdrivem3]

i have never seem this brand be4,where is it made?

[SupraPolak]

Australia

[kpcart]

First post here!

These Fords and Holdens are better cars than any japanese cars. might not beat the fastest turbos around a race track, but who cars? only ricers care. these cars are much more suited to lowrider cruising. these are the most popular cars in australia, not just because they are australian but because they are great cars. i was born in europe, and i prefer these cars over the more complicated, less peace of mind euro cars, and generic, narrow, ugly made in asia rubbish. the engines last forever, they provide a comfortable unstressed drive. the engines have shit loads of torque down low, plus they have rwd and v8.

This is a typical reason why people like these cars: nothing will ever beat having a big loud thumping v8, pulling up next to a ricer at the lights, and see them get all edgy, with a jerkoff look on their face like they have something to prove, they take of fast, making an undesirable buzzing motorbike sound from there oversize exhaust pipes, while the v8 driver just cruises off slowly unfussed.

but if you want speed, these cars have heaps of potential. the ford xr6 turbo, has 240kw of power, plus shitloads of torque, big massive comfortable car, takes of from 0 -100km/h (62mph) in 6.0seconds. plus any of the v8 motors can be modified for heaps more power, the 5.7litre chev in the commodore v8, you can get ridiculous numbers at the wheels, as the americans will know.

And the basic 6 cylinder versions, every taxi in australia uses them, they are the most popular fleet cars, government cars, police cars, and most popular family cars. the mistubishi magna tries to compete with the Ford Falcon and Holden Commodore, but they have proved to be of lower quality, less reliable, and the general feeling is that mitsubishi is an inferior brand, which is why they are going bankrupt in australia.

Get an lpg conversion and will actully use less money on fuel than 4 cylinder cars.

They are perfect road cars (not race cars - althought v8 supercars are pretty darn fast.....) respectable, reliable cars.

[SupraPolak]

Hi and welcome kpcart,

First post here (to you)

Ok, let's see, had you not shown your ignorance as a car enthusiast I probably would not have bothered replying to your post. However, since you insist on being a dimwit and resorting to calling other makes and models rice or ricers in your very first post I think my response is warranted ;)

First up, you are not doing any favours to either Ford of Holden by describing their performance models in the same light as you would a Taxi.

The majority of cars pictured here are of the V8 SS or SV8 (oh, and a Statesman V8 and SV6 here and there) variety and I'm sure Holden wouldn't want you lowering their performance appeal by saying that they'll get out gunned by a Jap Import or equivalent. Or that they have good "fuel economy" IF you convert them to LPG.

I have had a Holden V8, because at the time it's performance was reasonable and it suited my needs. But there is no way in hell I would say that it is economical on fuel, nor would I ever imagine myself castrating a "performance" car by putting LPG on it. Taxi's have LPG, performance cars DON'T!

Also, no way in hell are Ford and Holden better than Jap cars. I currently own both and would completely disagree. Not only does my 10 year old Jap car have better build quality, better fuel economy, is more technologically advanced (yes, a 10 year old Jap car is easily more technologically advanced than local Ford or Holden offerings) and produces more power, and perhaps more importantly, torque from a smaller engine but IMHO it looks way better too ;)

Reliability? Surely you're not talking about Holden or Ford here? They're not bad but they're not exactly great either, about average I would say. No more no less :)

And as you also mention, quite rightly, the American's will know what kind of power the 5.7litre Chev is capable of producing. BUT the American's will also know that a stock bottom end, like on my Supra :lol: , can hold 36psi and produce in the excess of 800HP with very little modification (heads, turbo, cams, fuel)

How about we wrap things up with some name calling. Well, you did start it :twisted: You call Jap cars rice and their drivers ricers. We here in Australia call Falken's and Commodore's Falkadores because they are virtually the same bland offering from two different manufacturers. Commodores are also know as Commonwhores because there are so many of them and most of them have been whored out and thrashed :lol:

Once again kpcart, "Welcome" :wink:


P.S. My wife used to drive a V8 Holden because it made for a nice family Taxi...