RC45's Design an Engine Contest.

[RC45]

I would like to hold a "Build an Engine" contest.

We are all car nuts and get all huffy during engine and perfomance debates - so let's out our money where our mouths are.

Who can design the "best" engine.

This is very subjective of course - so the actual terms of a winner are still under development.

Your entry will be the specs of the engine you want to design to put in the real car of your choice.

I will atke the specs of the engine and run it through a Dyno-Simulator and your engines power graphs and tables will be judged.

Stay tuned for rule adjustments.

[sameerrao]

Looking for the specs on the F2004 to feeed here :wink:

[hemi_fan]

um, im confused. what precise specs do you need?!?! Weight, power, torque!?! Or a lot more detailed info!?

[T-Bird]

the idea is to design an engine and then he will enter it into the program and out comes your HP and Torque numbers.

[T-Bird]

well I just posted this up in the other topic just to see how it works out...

OK just for basics to try this thing out Ford 427, 4 valve V8 Methane Turbo at 30psi
and a 36 degree overlap, intake 2.0 and exhaust 1.6 compression ratio 11.5:1
hydraulic lifters, racing cam (if available) you can do the little stuff if anything doesn't quite mesh well
WTF throw in a 200 shot of nitrous just for kicks
Garrett GTP38R turbo with dual 800CFM Holley 4 barrel carbs

[fedezyl]

a drag racing engine i guess t-bird??? hehe :D

[T-Bird]

HELL YEAH!

EDIT:
Can you make those 1050 CFM carbs if you haven't already run it...

[fedezyl]

now....30PSI....that's some boost going on there lol

[T-Bird]

Diesel trucks baby!

[RC45]

OK - here is thge sample run:

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Entrant: T-Bird
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Ford 427, 4 valve V8 Methane Turbo at 30psi
and a 36 degree overlap, intake 2.0 and exhaust 1.6 compression ratio 11.5:1
hydraulic lifters, racing cam (if available) you can do the little stuff if anything doesn't quite mesh well
WTF throw in a 200 shot of nitrous just for kicks
Garrett GTP38R turbo with dual 800CFM Holley 4 barrel carbs
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High on Meth
http://img6.exs.cx/img6/1162/T-Bird1.jpg
http://img6.exs.cx/img6/3253/T-Bird1_table.jpg

On 200HP Laughing Gas
http://img6.exs.cx/img6/6958/T-Bird1_NOS.jpg
http://img6.exs.cx/img6/4125/T-Bird1_NOS_table.jpg

[fedezyl]

hahah, i've seen some of the turbo's they use on merc trucks...now that's big!!

[T-Bird]

1083hp/903ft/lb no Nitrous :shock:
1280hp/1141ft/lb on the bottle :wink:

nice way to start :twisted:

Now drop that into a Cobra and watch out!

[fedezyl]

it's pretty impressive how high the torque curve is with NO2 in the beggining than without it

[T-Bird]

well there isn't as much time waiting for the power adder since it is introduced at the beginning.

[RC45]

I left about 120hp on table.. ;) - I installed solid lifters in your motor by mistake.. :lol:

[T-Bird]

ohwell I guess I ran out of money on the Turbo. :wink:
How bout your's RC45 maybe what you would do to your Z06 I'm sure you've run those combinations before...
Maybe a Lingenfelter version :D

[SilviaEvo]

wow that is a lot of power

[styla21]

This is by far, the coolest thread on the face of the internet. :shock: :D

[blah]

where can i get that program?

[mindgam3]

lol, nice thread ;)

Here's the most detailed engine specs for the enzo i could find, lets see if we can get it as close to the real figure as possible, then we could slap some turbos on it ;)

Enzo V12:

Ferrari F140 65 degree V12
alloy block and head
5.998 litre/ 355ci
Bore: 92mm
Stroke: 75.2mm
Compression: 11.2:1
4 valves per cyclinder (DOHC)
Fuel Feed: Bosch motronic ME7 fuel injection

Actual engine figures are 660bhp @ 7800rpm and 657 Nm @5500rpm

[coombsie66]

This program seems interesting, although how do you calculate the efficiencies to put into it? Surely they will have a large say on BHP and Torque figures. Isnt 77% bloody high!?

[astonmartinandy]

That looks like an amazing program, and a great idea!

[mindgam3]

This program seems interesting, although how do you calculate the efficiencies to put into it? Surely they will have a large say on BHP and Torque figures. Isnt 77% bloody high!?

couldnt be sure, but i think thats the efficiency of the turbo, not the whole engine.

[T-Bird]

dude he said they don't have Ferrari's in the program.

[BADMIHAI]

Ferrari 052
Normally aspirated, aluminium alloy cylinder block V10 90°
3,000 cc
4 valves/cylinder
Estimated 900 hp.

[sergei_dekker85]

yeah where can i get that program?

[T-Bird]

you can get it online but you have to pay for it.
again they don't have Ferrari's

[mindgam3]

dude he said they don't have Ferrari's in the program.

when did he say that?

What do they have then?

I'd like to see the results of T-birds with regular fuel on the non nitroused one too ;)

[RC45]

OK - a little fake Enzo.

Someone go check the graph against their own Enzo out back.. ;)


http://img63.exs.cx/img63/3586/mindgame31_enzo.jpg
http://img57.exs.cx/img57/3804/mindgame31_enzo_table.jpg

[mindgam3]

lol, not too shabby, shame it couldn't be more realistic though

How bout slapping a turbo on her? ;)

[RC45]

lol, not too shabby, shame it couldn't be more realistic though

How bout slapping a turbo on her? ;)

Well - the intake and exhaust lift is autocalculated, as are valve sizes and intake design.

I pulled the intake flow rate outa me ass.. ;)

The more accurate info going in - the more accurate the info coming out ;)

I never bothered to search for an actual Enzo power graph to overlay and compare.

[mindgam3]

lol, not too shabby, shame it couldn't be more realistic though

How bout slapping a turbo on her? ;)

Well - the intake and exhaust lift is autocalculated, as are valve sizes and intake design.

I pulled the intake flow rate outa me ass.. ;)

The more accurate info going in - the more accurate the info coming out ;)

I never bothered to search for an actual Enzo power graph to overlay and compare.

hmmm i tried to find one too, no luck yet....

[PaulGT2164]

too bad theres no rotary motors either =(
i have this program as well

[RC45]

too bad theres no rotary motors either =(
i have this program as well

Do you have any specific cam or head files you want to share?

I am still looking for a 2001 LS6 cam grind and an LS6 head file.

[tigerx]

you could buy it i guess, but i want it free. ;)

[dannyroz]

Does it have to be the most powerful engine that looks actually possible or could it b a little 4 banger that i could put in a civic?

[RC45]

Does it have to be the most powerful engine that looks actually possible or could it b a little 4 banger that i could put in a civic?

I'm not sure... we might end up having to go for HP/l after all ;) :lol: :D

Let's hear some input/ideas... what should the criteria of the winner/winners be?

Should we have classes?

We already have "be based on a stock block" design.. what's next?

[tigerx]

um hey, i got a copy of this program, but it's not dyno2000, it's dyno2003 ;). i'm just messing around wit stuff right now, but can you tell me how to put a supercharger on a ford v8 5l?

[RC45]

um hey, i got a copy of this program, but it's not dyno2000, it's dyno2003 ;). i'm just messing around wit stuff right now, but can you tell me how to put a supercharger on a ford v8 5l?

Not until you share the pirated copy you have :P

[tigerx]

lol it's so easy to do, just go to www.proracingsim.com, go to the support page and download the dynoSIM program they have, install it. go to www.astalavista.box.sk, search for dyno, and download the crack there (i only tested the crack that isn't from EMINATOR). even though they're different version, the program works fine for me. just copy the dyno2003.exe into the dynosim directory, and use that exe instead of dynosim.exe

[mindgam3]

Does it have to be the most powerful engine that looks actually possible or could it b a little 4 banger that i could put in a civic?

I'm not sure... we might end up having to go for HP/l after all ;) :lol: :D


Well it would be the best way to compare engines of different sizes, unless you're gonna have size classes :P

And who said it was completely useless??? ;)



Let's hear some input/ideas... what should the criteria of the winner/winners be?

Should we have classes?

We already have "be based on a stock block" design.. what's next?

Other classes could be:

NA
Forced Induction
N2O
Ricer class ;) lol, ie 2 litre and below?

i dunno just some ideas ;)

[RC45]

lol it's so easy to do, just go to www.proracingsim.com, go to the support page and download the dynoSIM program they have, install it. go to www.astalavista.box.sk, search for dyno, and download the crack there (i only tested the crack that isn't from EMINATOR). even though they're different version, the program works fine for me. just copy the dyno2003.exe into the dynosim directory, and use that exe instead of dynosim.exe

Yep - the Exe's are out there - but what really opens the app up is access to the Libraries of cams and heads - and acurate turbo and other data.

Round those up and you will have real fun with the apps. ;)

[tigerx]

it have everything working fine, plus the ProTools too :D i think you should upgrade it RC

[RC45]

it have everything working fine, plus the ProTools too :D i think you should upgrade it RC

You don't have everything.

They make their money selling library CD's full of extra data.

You only have a small sampling of cams and heads flow data.

;)

Those iteration tools, cam math and cam manager components are just the tools. You tsill need the data - either of the top of your head (and more power to you if you do it - just be sure to sahre the data file syou make ;)) or you download/purcahse cam, head and flow files :)

[Tomerville]

hahah, i've seen some of the turbo's they use on merc trucks...now that's big!!


Yeah, when you pass semi's on the american highways all you hear is the whistle of the turbos boostin the car along. 10-liter turbocharged sixes.

[tigerx]

then RC45, would you plz share those wit me? how bigs are the files?

[T-Bird]

OK for the criteria we could do a racing style engine, a street engine above 3.8 liters and below 3.8 possibly and nothing over an obtainable engine like a V8 or something because using a V12 is stupid because everyone would pick that.
Maybe we could do it with the engine you have and see how much power you can get out of it...

just some suggestions.

[sentra_dude]

I think having classes are a good idea...

Also, for a certain engine size maybe see who can get the most torque...

This should be fun,

60 degree V12
6,064cc/369.9ci
4 values, DOHC
Naturally Aspirated
bore: 86.00mm (3.38")
stroke: 87.00mm (3.42")
compression ratio: 11:1
max rpm: 8500rpm
93 octane

some other stuff, is it useful? 12 single throttle valves, DOHC with continuously variable inlet valve timing

and the real stats: 680bhp@7800rpm
520ft-lbs@4500rpm

from the McLaren F1 LM :D

if anyone else knows more stats, feel free to share

[RC45]

then RC45, would you plz share those wit me? how bigs are the files?

I don't have them all - Unless you are an engine builder, buying all the libraries just to get 3 cams and 2 sets of heads is a little much.

[RC45]

Some ideaws put forward:

Classes
Capacity classes
Limits on cylinder count
Use classes
Induction type

Winning Criteria
HP
Torque
HP/l
HP/unit weight (we will need stock blocks for this one)

Any more?

Bueller? Bueller?

[T-Bird]

How's this for a V8...

http://img53.exs.cx/img53/1058/dyno.jpg

yes that's 40,676 peak HP and 28,484ft/lb once that Turbo kicks in and just before the Manifold looses all pressure probably from blowing up :wink:
Ironically introducing Nitrous had waay lower results, Methane proved to be the best.

[tigerx]

i see that you got an illegal copy of the software too? lol. um anyone wanna help me make a ford v8 5.6L supercharged that have around 600 to 700bhp and around 550 to 650 lbs-ft??? i'm really clueless wit all of these engineering terms.

[T-Bird]

mines just the Demo sadly it only comes with one size for each cylinder number. everything else is up in the air though as you can see.

[tigerx]

follow my instruction and get the full version ;) minus the extra stuff that you get on a cd of course.

[X-ale]

I've checked out the site and can't find the answer to: can you test wankels?

[tigerx]

have you check the 16mb manual?

[T-Bird]

where did you find your version tigerx?
you can PM me if you don't want to tell everybody.

[fedezyl]

I have engine analyzer v3.3, i'm looking for some alfa engine's files, like the boxer engines and the twin cam 4 pots....any ideas on where to look for them?

[tigerx]

google. is that thing any good? screeen shot of it would be nice.

[tigerx]

how's this engine? ford 429 V8 9L (bored and stroked from 7L) NA, 10.00:1, 4 valve and run on methanol. I am btw am not good at this at all, i'm only 16 for god sake, this engine have very high torque.
http://members.rogers.com/dpolyzois/Image2.png

[rachaderua]

why don´t uou use the Dyno 2003? It´s the same as the 2000 version but with some improvements and more accurate engine

[T-Bird]

he is using Dyno2003 RC45 has Dyno2000 which is just as good just a different visual layout.

[rachaderua]

what about these ones i had did some months ago, the engine of the MP4-19B Maclaren Mercedes F1 car

hehe just for fun, but it stayed the same :D

i could also some months ago to create a 1.0 liter naturaly aspired engine with 460 hps, in a racing use...it staied cool...but i don´t have a pic to prove unfortunatelly :/

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/veilsidebr/58071097.jpg

[rachaderua]

he is using Dyno2003 RC45 has Dyno2000 which is just as good just a different visual layout.

Ok but dyno 2000 has les features than the 2003 version...

[tigerx]

hey rachaderua, have you try usign the itelator feature? it really good.

i believe RC45 have more cams and head then us becuz he actually bought his software. but the regular stuff is more then enuff for me ;)

and i try to mimic your engine but my cam out differently although everything is the same

[RC45]

Here are some links to some cam & head files posted online.

http://www.smokemup.com/utils/cams.php

http://www.chevyasylum.com/dyno2000/Welcome.html

http://www.scottysplace.net/Resources/software.asp

http://www.carbdford.com/Dyno2000/camshaft_files.htm

http://www.cobralads.com/butcher41.html

These are all US based cam and head flow files.

It would be nice to have anyone who has access to accurate cam profile data and flow information for other makes/models to make this available.

[tigerx]

wow thank you so much RC45, this is a great learning tool for a youngster like me :D. i barely noe anything bout cam :D. thanks.

BTW how you get these link? google?

[fedezyl]

hey, yeah I did a search on google and it came up, and then found the crack on that crack site you posted..it seems cool, but I have no idea how to use it yet, I need to read the manual...but in any case, i'm also looking for some engine profiles, specially alfa romeo engines....
Oh I don't know how to take a screenshot, if anyone could give me a hand i'd be more than happy to take one and post it...

[gottacatchup]

How's this for a V8...

http://img53.exs.cx/img53/1058/dyno.jpg

yes that's 40,676 peak HP and 28,484ft/lb once that Turbo kicks in and just before the Manifold looses all pressure probably from blowing up :wink:
Ironically introducing Nitrous had waay lower results, Methane proved to be the best.

And with the intercooler running at 150% effeciency and the engine itself running at %100 efficiency.

[tigerx]

it's easy to make extreme engine, making medium power engine with restriction is much more fun :D

[rachaderua]

i have all the cams available..there is a single cd for sale in the website of dyno...i had downloaded it and it has all the cams available :D

[BADMIHAI]

T-bird's V8 would not work. With a compression ratio that high, detonation would occur.

[RC45]

i have all the cams available..there is a single cd for sale in the website of dyno...i had downloaded it and it has all the cams available :D

Which CD? The $29 / 3500 camshaft CD?