View Full Version : Acura RL
brian
07-23-2004, 09:08 AM
probably not the biggest deal to some of you, but being an Acura guy I had to post these...
http://members.cox.net/rjcarter/images/rl/Imgp0829.jpg
http://members.cox.net/rjcarter/images/rl/Imgp0831.jpg
http://members.cox.net/rjcarter/images/rl/Imgp0834.jpg
http://members.cox.net/rjcarter/images/rl/Imgp0828.jpg
http://members.cox.net/rjcarter/images/rl/Imgp0822.jpg
http://members.cox.net/rjcarter/images/rl/Imgp0835.jpg
23790554
07-23-2004, 09:36 AM
do you know the spec??
there is no acura brand here in australia, just honda
that looks really nice that ive seen some real life pics. What did it sound like?
oldsnail
07-23-2004, 03:51 PM
uses SH-AWD..
SH is ATTS(active torque transfer system)
JiggaStyles09
07-23-2004, 03:58 PM
cool, i didnt realize that the new RL was on sale yet. nice looking car. Thanks for the pics.
Are the pics taken by you brian?
5.7 V10
07-23-2004, 04:40 PM
Hmm, interesting to me. This is the new RL with AWD.
Nice!
cool, i didnt realize that the new RL was on sale yet. nice looking car. Thanks for the pics.
it isnt, these are test mules.
Vansquish
07-23-2004, 06:02 PM
Nice snaps man, but you know, it reminds me of something...does it ring any bells with anyone else? Looks a lot like the US market Honda Accord sedan to me.
alittle bit, but i like these curves alot better, theres no sudden drop into the trunk. Honda is proving you dont need a v8 to be competitive with this car.
ferrari550
07-23-2004, 07:07 PM
Great pics, it looks like a very good car and a worthy competitor for the rivals. I think they have gone the right way here.
stracing
07-24-2004, 02:39 AM
my parents have the shitty us accord and no it looks nothing like it. this looks great.
ahmedgiyab
07-24-2004, 05:18 AM
is it the same as the upcoming Legend....?! :roll:
Looks awesome to me.... 8)
oantob
07-24-2004, 08:35 AM
is it the same as the upcoming Legend....?! :roll:
Looks awesome to me.... 8)
i agree...because all of the Acura type, is based on the honda type, on Japan, those cars names aren't acura but honda...
Just like the Toyota with Lexus...ie. the lexus is SC430 and the toyota ver. is called Soarer...japanese car always confused in names...
my parents have the shitty us accord and no it looks nothing like it. this looks great.
whats wrong with the accord. Trust me when i say this, for its class its 20x better than anything else.
ae86_16v
07-25-2004, 04:38 AM
Wow, looks great so far. Now we just gotta see how well that SHAWD does in real conditions. It looks aggressive yet very luxury-like elegancy to it.
Honda should really develop a V8 and drop it in there.
SilviaEvo
07-25-2004, 08:01 PM
i want one
Wow, looks great so far. Now we just gotta see how well that SHAWD does in real conditions. It looks aggressive yet very luxury-like elegancy to it.
Honda should really develop a V8 and drop it in there.
for what reason? the people that honda market to, do not need a v8. and also if they can get 300 hp out of their 3.5 liter v6 which is close to BMWs v8 power output why bother? They havent even begun to tap their v6's power. I bet they could get to 350 N/A easily.
ae86_16v
07-25-2004, 09:30 PM
Wow, looks great so far. Now we just gotta see how well that SHAWD does in real conditions. It looks aggressive yet very luxury-like elegancy to it.
Honda should really develop a V8 and drop it in there.
for what reason? the people that honda market to, do not need a v8. and also if they can get 300 hp out of their 3.5 liter v6 which is close to BMWs v8 power output why bother? They havent even begun to tap their v6's power. I bet they could get to 350 N/A easily.
Because no matter how tune you get the V6, it still doesn't have the torque of a V8. Everything else in that market; LS430, Q45, and even some of their indirect competitors (Germans) all have V8.
And horsepower is what you sell, but torque is what you drive. If you want, I am sure you could put some twin turbos on that V6 and next thing you know you'll have 400bhp easily. In addition, if Honda were to achieve 350bhp N/A with that engine, I don't think that people driving it around town would like to over 4 or 5 grand to get power.
Let me ask you this. What type of people do you think Honda market this car towards?
SilviaEvo
07-25-2004, 09:58 PM
Let me ask you this. What type of people do you think Honda market this car towards?
the people who drive it daily and dont want it to guzzle gas
5vz-fe
07-25-2004, 10:02 PM
The trunk and rear-end design looks like the current 7-series bimmer. The frontal of the car from far looks like a VW Pheoton.
If Acura don't bring a V8 to NA, it won't be able to fight the big boys and get a slice of the juicy profit up there. The AWD system better be as good as it say or a front wheel drive like the current RL is determined to be a failure.
Let me ask you this. What type of people do you think Honda market this car towards?
the people who drive it daily and dont want it to guzzle gas
exactly. Honda isnt in the market for people who drive the 545i, or the E-500, Audi A6 4.2. They are in the 530i, E320, A6 3.0 class. The class of people who dont want the performance of the 8s, but want the gas mileage of the 6. it would be a waste of money for honda to r&d a V8.
About the AWD system, im more than sure honda wouldnt market such a car, and hype of the AWD for it not to work. thats just ignorant. One thin about honda is that everything works.
Vansquish
07-26-2004, 03:25 AM
Look, you are both somewhat correct, you can get a significant amount of bhp from an engine relatively easily, but Torque tends to be more elusive. Given that, Honda has done a pretty damned good job, as has Nissan with their respective 3.5L V6's. I believe the Nissan 350Z engine has something like 287bhp and 273lb-ft. That sounds like a goodly amount of torque to me. Now I don't remember what the exact outputs of Honda's 3.5L are, so I won't quote them, but you can have a relatively unstressed, low revving V6 with close to the same outputs as an equivalently priced V8, don't sneer at them too much...not only are they more fuel efficient than most of the V8s out there on the market, but they are also inherently smoother, exactly the sort of thing you'd want in a luxury car eh?
the current 3.5 in the RL isnt tuned all the way, but let me put up the stats for the NSX engine.
Horsepower: 290 bhp @ 7100 rpm
Torque: 224 lb-ft @ 5500 rpm
the TL specs
Horsepower: 270 bhp @ 6200 rpm
Torque: 238 lb-ft @ 5000 rpm
these are hondas 3.2 liter engines.
stracing
07-26-2004, 04:20 AM
my parents have the shitty us accord and no it looks nothing like it. this looks great.
whats wrong with the accord. Trust me when i say this, for its class its 20x better than anything else.
it just looks ugly and its feel likes riding a ferry. i wanted them to get the japanese accord, now that is way better.
but looks aside, i can't think of anything else with same power, reliability and build quality for that price. i guess its fit for the oldies
brian
07-26-2004, 07:16 AM
Are the pics taken by you brian?
no... these were ripped off vtec news.
rachaderua
07-26-2004, 05:23 PM
nice body...must be a V6 engine with about 210 hps....good car :D
my parents have the shitty us accord and no it looks nothing like it. this looks great.
whats wrong with the accord. Trust me when i say this, for its class its 20x better than anything else.
it just looks ugly and its feel likes riding a ferry. i wanted them to get the japanese accord, now that is way better.
but looks aside, i can't think of anything else with same power, reliability and build quality for that price. i guess its fit for the oldies
Ive driven alot of the cars in the same market as the accord. The malibu, the camry, and the accord itself. The Malibu just plain blows. The brakes are drums out back if i remember correctly, the interior is really shitty, the build quality is horrendus on it. You can go through the car and start pulling shit away from it litterally. The camry is nice and all, but its just to plain. Nothing really extra ordinary about it. The best thing to an accord in my opinion is the Mazda 6, grear reliablity, horsepower, and quality. but the 6 isnt in the same market segment really as the accord. The 6 is more for younger sedan buyers, who want more room than a coupe, but dont want to confom to the parenting image.
ae86_16v
07-26-2004, 11:07 PM
Let me ask you this. What type of people do you think Honda market this car towards?
the people who drive it daily and dont want it to guzzle gas
exactly. Honda isnt in the market for people who drive the 545i, or the E-500, Audi A6 4.2. They are in the 530i, E320, A6 3.0 class. The class of people who dont want the performance of the 8s, but want the gas mileage of the 6. it would be a waste of money for honda to r&d a V8.
About the AWD system, im more than sure honda wouldnt market such a car, and hype of the AWD for it not to work. thats just ignorant. One thin about honda is that everything works.
No one is saying the AWD isn't going to work. All I want to know is how well it works. How much performance increase could you realistically see.
And about the V8/V6. I am coming from a different point than you. I am coming from a point that Honda wants to market this car as a flagship luxury automobile, which they failed miserably in the last RL. And to compete in that market I think you need a V8. For the amount of torque that is needed to a smooth city drive, yet have the power to merge on freeways. And like I was saying everything else in the class of flagship luxury has V8s.
I just thought about something, why not offer to engines like all the cars that you mentioned? (By the way, I think the TL has moved up to compete with the 5, A6, and E now, with the TSX taking the low end.) One could be for people that don't care about power and want gas savers. And another to really compete.
I don't think it would be a waste of money. Honda could do a market research on something like that and easily do a cost benefit analysis. And I am pretty sure that they could sell a good amount of that car with a V8 combo.
Another point I am not saying that Honda's V6 is inferior. It is a supreme art of work, much like the VQ 6 from Nissian but it still doesn't have the qualities of a V8. Just look at the peak torque figures you presented, over 5000rpm. A luxury car shouldn't have to revv even close to that to get moving.
Of course I don't have insight into Honda's marketing. So all of this is conjectures.
Look, you are both somewhat correct, you can get a significant amount of bhp from an engine relatively easily, but Torque tends to be more elusive. Given that, Honda has done a pretty damned good job, as has Nissan with their respective 3.5L V6's. I believe the Nissan 350Z engine has something like 287bhp and 273lb-ft. That sounds like a goodly amount of torque to me. Now I don't remember what the exact outputs of Honda's 3.5L are, so I won't quote them, but you can have a relatively unstressed, low revving V6 with close to the same outputs as an equivalently priced V8, don't sneer at them too much...not only are they more fuel efficient than most of the V8s out there on the market, but they are also inherently smoother, exactly the sort of thing you'd want in a luxury car eh?
No doubt.
But my bottomline is that every other flagship luxury car in the Japanese segment has a V8, and all other German manufactures offers a choice.
they could offer a 8, but it wouldnt be wise use of money. the Next NSX will still use a 6, so why waste money building a V8 for just one car? You see where im going with this? I guess they could update the MDX, Pilot, and maybe even the TL platforum for V8s and try and get some use there, but that is highly unlikely. Also about the TL and the 5 series, the TL is in competition with the 3 series. ive checked most of the new magazines with luxury comparisons, and they never have TL vs 5 series, always TL vs 3 series. the TL is rated as entry level midsize luxury. the 5 series is definately luxury.
brian
07-27-2004, 08:10 AM
where are they supposed to get this 8 from? ...My guess is you'll see a V8 in a honda truck first, then it will make its way over to some of the cars. I'm sure they're in no rush tho, the V8 versions of Lexus' GS sedan make up only 1% of total sales.
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