UPDATE: PICS OF NEW 2005 M3 Clubsport Package

[styla21]

Update: now found some official documents.
Love the fact the CSL wheel's are available :twisted:

All new Club -Sport package for the 2005 BMW M3 Coupé

For Discerning Driver Who Wants the Ultimate in M3 Handling Performance

BMW has announced the all-new Club Sport Package for the 2005 M3 Coupe. Already renowned for its performance and handling, the new Club Sport Package takes M3 performance to the razor's edge. Every aspect of the M3's handling has been tweaked resulting in the best-handling M3 ever.

The wheels are 19-inch forged-alloy wheels with high-performance tires. They connect to a suspension with more sporting calibration. Turn-in is quicker with a more direct steering ratio which goes from 15.4:1 to 14.5:1. The Dynamic Stability Control system includes a less intrusive M track mode to ensure that you can have the security of DSC and enjoy spirited driving too. For inclement conditions the regular DSC mode remains. To complement this increase in handling capability, the brakes have been modified to include compound and cross-drilled rotors. The front rotors have also been enlarged from12.8 to13.6 inches.

As the serious enthusiast would expect, the Club Sport Package is available in combination with the optional Sequential Manual Gearbox.

The interior enhancements of the package are subtle but purposeful. The Alcantara steering wheel and handbrake grip feel good to the touch. The addition of the steering wheel-mounted button for the DSC M track mode requires the deletion of the multi-function controls and cruise control. The Club Sport Package is available with all M3 Coupe interior and exterior color and trim combinations. Two options are exclusive to the Club Sport. Special Club Sport aluminum trim is available for the interior. A new exterior color, Interlagos Blue, is offered only with this package.

The Club Sport Package will be available for 2005 M3 Coupes beginning with December 2004 production. The price for the package is still to be announced.
- bmwaustralia.com

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[itsthepham]

Hmm..just little upgrades. But sounds good enough.

[IgotWRXed]

As the serious enthusiast would expect, the Club Sport Package is available in combination with the optional Sequential Manual Gearbox.


wouldnt the serious enthusiast want a real enthusiast gearbox and not that sequential garbage ;)

[abbor]

wouldnt the serious enthusiast want a real enthusiast gearbox and not that sequential garbage

Yes, I believe the would!

[JiggaStyles09]

interesting, sounds like a cool package. thanks for the info.

[DjPtsatsot]

Crucial question... will this be available in the US? and do they actually think this will make up for not getting CSL?!

[styla21]

yes, it will be available in both left and right hand drive countries. so yea, the US is getting them. you guys didn't get the csl? ouch....
at least you don't pay the us equivelant of $125,000 for a stock m3 though.. i guess it's give and take

[DjPtsatsot]

yes, it will be available in both left and right hand drive countries. so yea, the US is getting them. you guys didn't get the csl? ouch....
at least you don't pay the us equivelant of $125,000 for a stock m3 though.. i guess it's give and take

How is an M3 the us equivelant of 125,000 over there? Explain! I feel really bad for you guys!

[styla21]

I feel really bad for us too! but it's not going to stop me getting one :D
A new m3, without options, is $168,000 AUS, and we are trading at around 70 us cents. so just some quick math 168k * .70 = roughly 117000 in us dollars.

boo *@!# hoo.

also, i think our cars are made in the european factory (r/hand drive), and supply to our population of about 20 million. I guess the us market, being over 10 times the size with a local plant would make costs lower.
regardless, i love that car, and if there are some bmw enthusiasts on here i would love to get to know you all better.

[SilviaS15Cwest]

I like how BMW offers so many cars that are all made for performance and they all ways try to out do themselves. But I hate this sequential garbage.

[styla21]

what do you hate about smg? i really doubt in the m3 i could go back to a manual. i have only been to a track twice in my life, (both in the last month, it's my new hobbie). one car was manual and the other smg - and i really believe that the smg allowed my novice driving to be a lot more improved. my father, who has a background in national rally driving, agrees.
however, i do not know what your experiences are and am interested to hear.

[IgotWRXed]

what do you hate about smg? i really doubt in the m3 i could go back to a manual. i have only been to a track twice in my life, (both in the last month, it's my new hobbie). one car was manual and the other smg - and i really believe that the smg allowed my novice driving to be a lot more improved. my father, who has a background in national rally driving, agrees.
however, i do not know what your experiences are and am interested to hear.


i had a really long explanation planned out, but ill do it up real simple: purity. (i dunno if thats the right word i was looking for)

[schnell318]

This will make it an even better car, not as extreme as a CSL but still better than the normal M3. Let´s wait for the reviews :D

[styla21]

UPDATE: now that there is pics, would you fork out the extra cash for the package? do you think it's worth it?

[DMbaseball1604]

Crucial question... will this be available in the US? and do they actually think this will make up for not getting CSL?!

Well that is good news that it will be in available in America....and this wont make up for us not getting the CSL...but I dont think they would sell that many at all..


As the serious enthusiast would expect, the Club Sport Package is available in combination with the optional Sequential Manual Gearbox.


wouldnt the serious enthusiast want a real enthusiast gearbox and not that sequential garbage ;)

Definitely agree, I have driven an M3 SMG and also an standard manual M3 and I just feel like I have more control over the car with the manual (because you do) and the SMG just feels synthetic...when you first start out driving the car and are getting used to it the SMG is much easier to drive fast...atleast for me because I'm not really good at timing shift points yet, but the feel of the manual is so much better...

[5vz-fe]

Crucial question... will this be available in the US? and do they actually think this will make up for not getting CSL?!

Well that is good news that it will be in available in America....and this wont make up for us not getting the CSL...but I dont think they would sell that many at all..


I think that BMW NA knows that if they bring the CSL over, it will take some of the M3 market away. I dont know about emission, but with the extra power the CSL generate, I would wonder if it will pass the CA emission.........

This club sport model should make ppl who wants the CSL happy.

[ae86_16v]

Wow. . . looking good. I like the new wheels as well.

[possessed_beaver]

MMMMMMMMMMMMM3

and avaluable in australia.. seems very nice indeed!

[enigmatic]

Ooooh very nice! 8)

/snip
A new m3, without options, is $168,000 AUS..
I guess you mean including on-road costs?

[DjPtsatsot]

Crucial question... will this be available in the US? and do they actually think this will make up for not getting CSL?!

Well that is good news that it will be in available in America....and this wont make up for us not getting the CSL...but I dont think they would sell that many at all..




I dont really agree. I think there is a lot of support for BMW serious road-going cars, and a lot of cars which many people have been speculant about in the past with the other luxury marques. Some examples: the RS6... when announced Audi AG was very speculant due to the semi-success of the S6 Avant previously, but the car was a huge success amongst the select enthusiast and they managed to sell all 86 cars which were planned to head to the US pre-production!

Another car to look at: any of these new super-duper-to-the-mooncharged 5.5 liter mercedes. Mercedes are constantly pushing their luck w/ these car's putting them into everything, and the success still keeps going on, with more and more of these Uber-sport version become a success.

Now the CSL is a HUGE step-up from the regular M3 which had about 2-years waiting list for production, and so there quite a few enthusiasts out there, who bought the car from passion before it was made into another grocery getter by hot colledge chicks. CSL would satisfy quite a few of them, and overall was just a huge loss to BMW usa.

[Chingachgook]

Sounds interesting. I lvoe the M3 and this must be a really good Pack for that car...but I don't like the SMG transmission....
BTW, i'd love the M3 to be more light...I have my special edition on my mind....shame there will never be an official superlight version of that car

[SFDMALEX]

We want to increase our M3 power up at least another 50 Kwatts and more how should we do it?

[T-Bird]

We want to increase our M3 power up at least another 50 Kwatts and more how should we do it?

well how much is 50KW in HP terms and you have to tell people what you already have done to it. Also I would either go to the What you Drive section and read the rules then post the pics or you might get bitched at.

[TT]

1 kw = 1.36 hp ;)

And yes, post those pics instead of bragging about a car we never saw :P

[T-Bird]

ok so to gain 68 hp from an M3 say stock you would need a new intake, full exhaust reprogramed ECU, maybe more or just buy a Supercharger or Nitrous.

But I have to see what you've got first.

[SFDMALEX]

1 kw = 1.36 hp ;)

And yes, post those pics instead of bragging about a car we never saw :P

What car do you drive?

[T-Bird]

1 kw = 1.36 hp ;)

And yes, post those pics instead of bragging about a car we never saw :P

What car do you drive?

it says it right in his Signtaure with a link to the pics. :wink:

[SFDMALEX]

Oh ok nice :)

[TT]

1 kw = 1.36 hp ;)

And yes, post those pics instead of bragging about a car we never saw :P

What car do you drive?

it says it right in his Signtaure with a link to the pics. :wink:

And I posted pics + custom shot ;) as many others :P

[SFDMALEX]

it wont let me see your car - says i must register heheh i thought i already have :) cant be bothered reading too much ....

[TT]

Just log in there too with same username and pass.. or go in the "what you drive" section and find my topic

Anyway I thought we were talking about your car(s), not mine :D

[SFDMALEX]

Do you like my sig?

[TT]

You sure like to turn around the point.. yes it's a nice M3, but no proof it is yours... but well I give up...

[SFDMALEX]

this blonde is hot! do you have more pics of her?
http://www.jabbasworld.net/photopost/data/506/602maxpower160.jpg

[SFDMALEX]

You sure like to turn around the point.. yes it's a nice M3, but no proof it is yours... but well I give up...

It's registered to my wife - and we live in perth i guess that's the only way for you to find out is to ring the traffic department lol :)

[TT]

Ok, it's simple: if you don't want to post proof, stop talking about the fucking car on JW, thanks!

[SFDMALEX]

Ok sorry mate :) I wont talk about my car again lol but could you tell me how to increase the power to at least 50 Kwatts without having to spend a lot of money?

[styla21]

Tyronnne, as you can imagine a lot of people claim to be driving things that they arn't.. you can find more info in that forum TT is talking about.

i do have a question for you though. When you say the car is registered in Perth, u mean Perth in Australia right? We are a right hand drive car country, and your pic is of a left hand drive car. you have directly fudged our requests to see some proof, so if you want to just kick it in this community the post something to back your claims, or come clean.

BTW 1) the license plate 'april' is available in WA (i checked :wink: ).
2) why are you asking about inexpensive mods to an m3 man? its a $150,000 dollar car, a couple of thou $$ should not be a biggie, right?

[5vz-fe]

To answer the 50KW question....I guess the only way is to slap on a supercharger (provided if u really have a M3). So no cheap way around (or u should really define ur "without spending alot of money" means.

50kW question aside, I really think u should give some proof before bragging and having such a big a** sig. We are not jerks, but we do hate liars with alot of bullsh*t.

[spd]

That is nice, but I still need the cash for the car :oops:

[possessed_beaver]

You sure like to turn around the point.. yes it's a nice M3, but no proof it is yours... but well I give up...

It's registered to my wife - and we live in perth i guess that's the only way for you to find out is to ring the traffic department lol :)

perth.. as in perth australia??

i haven't seen ya M3 around.

if you want to increase 50kw, i would be looking at cams.. and EVEN HIGHER compression ratio, exhaust, intake, and possibley a peformance chip, but i cannot see 50kw, unless you get it supercharged, and you would have to get that imported from germany, and im not sure who could fit it, if you live in perth (australia) you would probley have to get it sent to sydney.

[CMonakar]

Enough, it's time for a reality check. Those things should come standard on an M model. The M is, or at least was, their designation for track ready models. A premium for a different steering wheel fabric? A premium for more direct steering-at the very least that should come standard.


I think the E46M is one of the least inspiring 40k+ machines on the road today. It sounds coarse, feels numb and heavy, cost a fortune, and doesn't look much different from all the other base model BMWs, yet people buy them anyway. Now apparently BMW is adding the things they took out of the current car, which were inseparable from the character of the previous models, back in as costly 'options' on top of the already expensive 'M' option.

Remember the e36? The M model came stripped and the luxury package was an option. That seemed reasonable because things like wood, leather, auto climate control, power seats all add cost. I don't see how taking those things out of the standard E46 model should drive up the price.


Is it me or does it seem like BMW is gouging the very segment of the market that supported the M division when it use to build nothing but hard edged cars? That's gratitude, nice company.

[Tomerville]

Poor Tyronne...that doesn't look like a photo he took of his car either :(

Anyway, does anyone know if the SMG available on the new M3 is the SMG III? or the same old SMG II?

[5vz-fe]

Tomerville, it's prolly the SMGII coz BMW will not invest alll the money in new machinaries to make the M3 having the SMGIII, so all they change prolly is the shifting program.

If u want SMGIII, get the new M5 :mrgreen:

[styla21]

ccarlisi, i respect your opinion on the m3. I just tend to differ a little... personally, i think the engine note is simply beautiful, and its handling to be superb.
I do agree however, that it is odd that some very simple aspects such as steering ratio can be improved on a car that is supposedly at it's limits. regardless, it remains one of my favourite cars ever and i can't wait to see the new generation :twisted:

[possessed_beaver]

Enough, it's time for a reality check. Those things should come standard on an M model. The M is, or at least was, their designation for track ready models. A premium for a different steering wheel fabric? A premium for more direct steering-at the very least that should come standard.


I think the E46M is one of the least inspiring 40k+ machines on the road today. It sounds coarse, feels numb and heavy, cost a fortune, and doesn't look much different from all the other base model BMWs, yet people buy them anyway. Now apparently BMW is adding the things they took out of the current car, which were inseparable from the character of the previous models, back in as costly 'options' on top of the already expensive 'M' option.

Remember the e36? The M model came stripped and the luxury package was an option. That seemed reasonable because things like wood, leather, auto climate control, power seats all add cost. I don't see how taking those things out of the standard E46 model should drive up the price.


Is it me or does it seem like BMW is gouging the very segment of the market that supported the M division when it use to build nothing but hard edged cars? That's gratitude, nice company.

i think they are just trying to flog as many off as possible..
and it's a case of most m3 owners know other m3 owners, and it becomes a pissing contest amoung the rich as to who has the best M3..

[Johns]

I have this baby on order, what a long wait :(

[ae86_16v]

Enough, it's time for a reality check. Those things should come standard on an M model. The M is, or at least was, their designation for track ready models. A premium for a different steering wheel fabric? A premium for more direct steering-at the very least that should come standard.


I think the E46M is one of the least inspiring 40k+ machines on the road today. It sounds coarse, feels numb and heavy, cost a fortune, and doesn't look much different from all the other base model BMWs, yet people buy them anyway. Now apparently BMW is adding the things they took out of the current car, which were inseparable from the character of the previous models, back in as costly 'options' on top of the already expensive 'M' option.

Remember the e36? The M model came stripped and the luxury package was an option. That seemed reasonable because things like wood, leather, auto climate control, power seats all add cost. I don't see how taking those things out of the standard E46 model should drive up the price.


Is it me or does it seem like BMW is gouging the very segment of the market that supported the M division when it use to build nothing but hard edged cars? That's gratitude, nice company.

Umm, I don't think a 333hp 3.2L engine is anything but uninspiring.

[styla21]

is that supposed to read 333hp 3.2L engine is inspiring, or Uninspiring. The e46 m3 engine is in a unique class - breaking that 100hp / litre barrier. that elite status surely qualifies it as being 'inspiring' right?
btw, the engine is 343hp in australia.