Ferrari 360 Modena OR Porsche 911 Turbo

[Guest]

The winner of the 360 vs Gallardo poll, the Ferrari is going up against the marvel from stutgart. Ferrari 360 Modena OR Porsche 911 Turbo and why?

I would choose the Ferrari for a few reasons, one tiff choose the porsche over the SL and i didnt like that, two I prefer the style of the ferrari and sound and the ferrai would probably be more fun and faster than the 911.

[initiala4]

Porsche because of realiability, awd, and turbo! Apart from that tuning capabilities also though i know ferrari also can be tuned...but i still prefer turbo cars. I would have picked a ferrari ,but mabbe cause i jsut heard from my friends saying that his ferrari breaks down alot *shrug. Of course the engine, exhaust sounds good, driving feeling is good..is what makes an italian car great!

[dis3as3d]

911 all the way, its not a ferrari the 911 is definately a beast. Get it in black and put some black wheels on there and it is so sexy!

[aawil]

I hate to be the diehard ferrari guy but I'd still take the ferrari first. The new 911 looks like a turtle to me. The just don't excite me. Well Maybe the carrera GT a little :D

[twboy1999]

i chose 360,, that car is just so pretty,, and the exhaust note is just uncompairable

but the performance the turbo is stronger, both handling and straight line

[SFDMALEX]

Ferrari all the way. Why? Well it's beautiful, it has a state of the art V8, it is one of the best sounding car's on the planet. It's a real drivers drivers car, rear wheel drive, no forced induction, raw power. Thats what cars should be all about.


911(honestly I love porsches)But number one thing that put's me off is the flat 6. I dont see the magic there. Little flat 6's dont do much for me. The fact that it got a Turbo put's me off. As I said, I like raw power. The same old basic design is getting to old. It's not as exotic, it doesnt have the sex appeal that the 360 has. It's AWD. That means it is not as challenging to drive. There is nothing better then fighting a RWD 400BHP around a difficult track.


Performance wise, these two cars are very close. But ferrari is the winner. Why? As I always say, good cars(very good cars) always make it up the motorsports ladder. The 996Turbo was never succesful in any motorsport. The 996GT3 is. Thats why I like the GT3 so much. I know people will say that in motorsports it's all about the budget etc.....



NOw the 360Stradale came out, and the 911Turbo will be smashed in every test. Even the GT3RS doesnt have much of a chance.

[twboy1999]

hey u got to consider the porsche 911 turbo is street car, not half street and half track like 360Stradale
i love the 360Stradale but i do not like the interior,, is too race cockpit, it is probably aimed toward track user, so the ppl buy it would not mind i guess..

i love the gt3 so much,, better then turbo,, gt3 is such an good handling car,, we would have to see which car perform better gt3/360Stradale ..so far no us magazine did a comparison of the 2 car,, so i dunno teh result

[SFDMALEX]

i love the gt3 so much,, better then turbo,, gt3 is such an good handling car,, we would have to see which car perform better gt3/360Stradale ..so far no us magazine did a comparison of the 2 car,, so i dunno teh result

Do a search around the forum. I posted an EVO review of Stradale VS. 360 a few days ago :wink:

[aawil]

i chose 360,, that car is just so pretty,, and the exhaust note is just uncompairable


Well Jabba's 355 sounds a good as it gets. I still got that vid of him revving it at night. 355's sound better than the 360 just like the F50 sounds better than the enzo. The newer cars have a deeper sound to them. Something they changed but I can't remember what it was. 360 sounds much better with a tubi.

[heath]

sif theres even a contest?? The porsche has already won ;) the 911 is built better, has more class, is cheaper and the list goes on...

911's are my fav car of all time for these reasons and more!

[SFDMALEX]

sif theres even a contest?? The porsche has already won ;) the 911 is built better, has more class, is cheaper and the list goes on...

911's are my fav car of all time for these reasons and more!

A 911 build better then a 360??? Thats huge news to me.

What contest??? Did you read the article?

[fireguy]

ferrari 360- it's just too damn sexy..........

[Wide]

Of course 360.. Ferraris noise is uncompareable.. Of course Ferrari is uncompareable..
Can I have the silver one plzz..lol..

[stradale]

Ferrari all the way. No 911 is capable of giving me goosebumps. Well, the 360 is.

No doubt the 911 Turbo is a marvellous car and if it was the only performance car around, I'd be thrilled to own one. But I hate its looks and sound. Too bad.

Question for heath: the Porsche has more class than the Ferrari? Does the fact that that outcome is upside down have anything to do with your location on the earth's surface? :wink:

[alondahan]

absolutly the Ferrari. For me it's not even a question.
it beats the 911 in anything.

it's just like Tiff said in "the greatest cars", the 360 is a car you just can't get enough of. it's always thrilling and exciting. the porsche definitely isn't.

[1zippo1]

I love both cars so chosing one is nearly impossible.

And if you really want to compare the 911 & 360 on the track you should comparte the GT2 against the stradalé. Those are about the same price and specifically build for the track.

I once had a magazine were they tested these 2 cars against each other and they thought the Turbo was the best and mostly because of it's handling. The ferrari is very fast, but dangerous on the edge. The 911 turbo is faster and more controllable. So to be honest if I had to chose, my hearth would chose the 360 but my mind would chose the 911.

http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/10/ferrari360f1_front.jpg

http://www.motormagazinesha.co.jp/medialog/car/ferrari/360m/img/front.jpg

http://www.motormagazinesha.co.jp/medialog/car/ferrari/360m/img/rear.jpg

http://www.amazingpaul.com/DaddyOLD/Porche%20911%20Turbo%20in%20wheat%20fields.jpg

http://www.amazingpaul.com/DaddyOLD/Porche%20911%20Turbo%20on%20display.jpg

[BADMIHAI]

I'd take the 360! It just looks so sexy...and the sound....and the pleasure of driving a Ferrari! 360 all the way. This doesn't mean I don't respect the 911 T !

[alondahan]

my hearth would chose the 360 but my mind would chose the 911.

when a person chooses a supercar, it's always a passionate decision, not a sensible one. nobody buys/wants a supercar because its practical/useable. it's an irrational decision, so when making such a decision I would listen to my heart.

[skelter]

I'd take the 360, simple choice really, Normally aspirated and RWD.

[alondahan]

I'd take the 360, simple choice really, Normally aspirated and RWD.

my thoughts exactly! :)

[Guest]

thus far 9-3 in favor of the prancing horse. im gonna put the 360 against a car that really surprised me, the bentley gt.

[f0racer]

Ferrari Modena 360 or Porsche 911 Turbo? This is a tough one, but one must choose. So let’s go to some pros and cons! (in my opinion)

Modena 360
Looks
Pro: the styling of course is by Pininfarina and that is always good. The car catches everyone’s eyes, including the babes.
Con: It catches the eyes of cops who give out tickets.

Performance
Pro: Mid engine and rear wheel drive. Best V-8 in the world. Fast and Fun! Great summer/sunny day/weekend car.
Con: Speeding and reckless driving tickets!

911 Turbo
Looks
Pro: Like a pebble in the riverbed, it is smoothed and polished ever closer to perfection.
Con: It’s understated, low profile, boring?

Performance
Pro: Twin turbo and 4-wheel drive. A Porsche for all seasons!
Con: Speeding and reckless driving tickets!

I’m sure theres more pros and cons, the 360 is a great supercar, while the Turbo is a great “Grand Trourer” (hey, that’s what Porsche said). But, for anyone who is fortunate enough to buy one of these cars, either one is the right choice. In my dream (one of them anyway), I have a 360 for the sunny days and the Turbo for the rest.

1zippo1 and alondahan - What a Jeffersonian way to discuss (the heart and the mind).

[Billyjuan]

911 Turbo all the way

[robruf]

The 911 Turbo is superior to the 360 in every performance test, but the Modena just looks so damn sexy, but it is a Ferrari and thus unreliable. So I would take the Turbo for weekdays and to the track and the Modena for weekend cruising.

[SDK2003]

No contest - I'd take the 911 Turbo

/Runs from chasing Ferrari fans

[Imre]

I would go for the Porsche and I would add Power Kit.You just can`t find a quicker car around the corners and on straits its also very fast.

[alondahan]

You just can`t find a quicker car around the corners

the 360 is faster than a 911 around a track. it has been proven many times before. just for example you can look in 2 road&track tests, "great grip", in which the 360 is chosen as the world's best handling car, and in "sibling rivalty", where you can find lap times for both, and guess what, the 360 is over 3 second a lap quicker than the turbo. in both tests professional racing drivers are involved.
:bad-words:

[SFDMALEX]

You just can`t find a quicker car around the corners

the 360 is faster than a 911 around a track. it has been proven many times before. just for example you can look in 2 road&track tests, "great grip", in which the 360 is chosen as the world's best handling car, and in "sibling rivalty", where you can find lap times for both, and guess what, the 360 is over 3 second a lap quicker than the turbo. in both tests professional racing drivers are involved.
:bad-words:

Alondahan is so right.

The rest, you just watch to many best motoring videos. I just checked through a lot of my magazines and 360 is faster then the 911. Honestly best motorings tests are shit. Pure shit, the guys drive like shit, but I still watch it. And they are very biased. Extremy biased. They had a Z06 in one video and the guy was so behind... in comparison the z06 was on the fastest there. Or Ill love their tests where the ferraris are behind MX5's the whole race.....

[Jabba]

One thing you are all forgetting is the SOUND...Ferraris have the best sounding engines in the world...in fact I would say they define what a "supercar" should sound like...and that everyone else has to try and copy....

Every porshe I have ever owned or heard have all sounded like a vaccum cleaner...or at best a VW beetle...and then of course Ferraris are just that bit more exclusive....Porsche are a victim of their own success... their cars are perhaps too useable and therefore an everyday site here... my 3 neighbours all have boxters and 911's...and all look very very boring indeed...especially when the guy opposite has a bright yellow Lamborghini....

http://www.supercarshowdown.co.uk/6.jpg

[scubywrxr]

I love both the 911T and the 360.. have passengerd in both and they are amazing cars without doubt (now I understand why a scooby costs 1/5 the price :wink:)

If i had the cash (hopefully in a few years when I am a specialist lol) I would buy both. The porsche for every day use - coz its so reliable and 4wd so I would not miss my scooby too much.
A 360 convertible in that lovely bluish silver color for sunday morning blasts at dawn with lotsa tunnels on the way so that I can savor that flat crank V8 scream.

Hmm now that is the almost perfect garage, a gallardo or murci seems superfluos with these in your drive IMHO

[Jabba]

I can look after the gallarado for you scooby... no problems there....and what about your scooby...if you dont have that...then you wont be able to have one of the best looking avatars on JW anymore...

[alondahan]

SFDMALEX you and I share the same opinions on best motoring :wink:

well you know what they say, great minds think alike :lol:

[SFDMALEX]

SFDMALEX you and I share the same opinions on best motoring :wink:

well you know what they say, great minds think alike :lol:

:D Nice to see someone share a same opinion. Their comparisons are shit, they dont know how to push a car to its limits, but I watch it since you get some idea of how the cars are, and I love their onboard cameras.

[HoboPie]

I agree with you guys on the best motoring thing, but at the same time I also disagree.

I do think that in some comparisons the outcomes are not necessarily representative of a cars normal performance. The drivers are all incredible, I don't see how you can say they don't know how to push the cars many of them drive in the JGTC in lemans and several in F1, but they do know the Japanese cars best.

Also in the specific test I am thinking of with the turbo, 360, gtr, evo, corvette and nsx all in the race they did explain that something wasn't right. They thought the 360s tires were either bad or not suited for the course.

The 360 in general seems to get the short end of the stick in BM, but most races the cars come out where they should be. Sometimes the start grid is nuts and some really fast cars get stuck behind for several laps, but overall the races are pretty fair.

I do think the 360 is at least as fast as the Turbo on the track though,interestingly the only two times I have seen the 360 come out on top(not BM) was when professional race drivers were involved in the tests. I'm not sure if they are the ones you mentioned earlier, but I remember in one test the elise or turbo was winning the handling comparo until the race driver's impressions points were tallied and then the 360 jumped ahead.

I think if you can handle the 360 on the limit it is probably a little faster on the track than the 911 turbo, but being a high powered rwd car if the surface or tires are bad at all the 360 will be a real handful.

[SFDMALEX]

Speaking of the drivers, there is only one guy there who knows what he is doing, and thats the old guy, the oldest one there. Whats his name?

After seeing a few JGTC races, honestly, those cars can be driven much faster. The problem is the Japaniese style of driving, drift, slide, drift slide. Drift and slide=slow. I was amazed when I saw they do it in race's. Comon drifting in races? But maybe its their tradition. BTW which drivers where in F1? I dont think any on them where in F1.

Driving street cars fast on a track is tough, because they got very soft suspensions, and you can see that in BM videos. They drive the cars very slopy. They trail brake to much into the corners and that always causes the rear end to step out(slide), they arent smooth with the throtle in corners, they seem to accelerate way after the apex's because of their bad corner entry. The even mis their shifts, common, pro drivers dont miss shifts. Its a sin. One of the major factors which slows them down as I mentioned before is their bad throttle control. On the big fast corners I never saw them left foot brake, you should never miss the oportunity to LFB when you know that you wont need to shift gears any time soon.(well not all the time, but LFB helps). Take a look at how they work the steering wheel, they use the 900degrees lol. why? understeer. why do they understeer? bad corner entry again. Maybe they have shity ass steering ratios or I dont know what they are doing. Final- They drive badly.



But then when I think about two things pop into my mind. First- They do it for the show. It wouldnt be very intertaining watching bunch of guys run super fast, super clean laps.

Number two- Most of the cars they drive are turbocharged, and if you arent using the full throttle then its gonna be a pain in the ass to get those turbos spinning. So that may explain the sloppy throttle control. But then again, when they drive BMW's still sloppy ass driving. And when the get ferraris' they barely drive them, maybe way to scared to crash them.


And everybody has to agree that they are very biased towards Japaniese cars. Everybody is always biased to some degree, but BM is tad to biased.

Just my 2cents.

[HoboPie]

I do agree with you to a large extent. They are not racing really seriously, except for the old guy who they refer to as gan san.

Your theory on the racing for show is likely, because the other drivers are always joking that gan san is driving to hard and mean. He probably just takes it more seriously than the rest do as a personality quirk.

The racing is kind of sloppy expecially with the 4wd cars that they just throw around the track, but all the drivers are relatively comparable. The cars are not being driven exactly how they should be which does skew the comparison somewhat, but they are all on similar footing.

Yes they are biased towards the Japanese cars and I would say especially the GTR, but how much that comes into the races beyond their comfort level I am not sure.

I still think they are excellent drivers. I believe I was wrong about the F1 driver. I do remember one of them was invited to an F1team in some position whether it was test driver or what I am unsure.

A reason for the misshifts which I have only seen a couple of in about 6 videos is the fact that they are talking and joking while racing.

I still love the show even after its faults though. It does make me think that they should make a special hardcore version like hot version or whatever that involves them racing with proper apexing and skill.

[SFDMALEX]

I do agree with you to a large extent. They are not racing really seriously, except for the old guy who they refer to as gan san.

Your theory on the racing for show is likely, because the other drivers are always joking that gan san is driving to hard and mean. He probably just takes it more seriously than the rest do as a personality quirk.

The racing is kind of sloppy expecially with the 4wd cars that they just throw around the track, but all the drivers are relatively comparable. The cars are not being driven exactly how they should be which does skew the comparison somewhat, but they are all on similar footing.

Yes they are biased towards the Japanese cars and I would say especially the GTR, but how much that comes into the races beyond their comfort level I am not sure.

I still think they are excellent drivers. I believe I was wrong about the F1 driver. I do remember one of them was invited to an F1team in some position whether it was test driver or what I am unsure.

A reason for the misshifts which I have only seen a couple of in about 6 videos is the fact that they are talking and joking while racing.

I still love the show even after its faults though. It does make me think that they should make a special hardcore version like hot version or whatever that involves them racing with proper apexing and skill.

I agree with you. I love watching it. but as for joking and talking I miss out on that since I dont speak Japanies or Chinies.

[HoboPie]

Yes, sadly except for several subbed episodes and a couple terribly dubbed ones I have no idea what they are saying.

What I have heard though was generally just comments on the condition of the car and comments on the stupidness or sillyness of other drivers.

[jim]

the porsche 911 is a better all round supercar, good everday cars that can be driven (really) hard! however the ferrari has that italian passion; the exhaust note, the styling and the interior is much better. i would have thought the 911 may perform slightly better but i wouldn't know for sure. my pic is the 360

on the best mtoring guys, they are definately biased towards the jap cars and i dont find them as enjoyable to watch as tiff and jeremy etc. not enough tyre smoke and attitude from the presenters.

[HoboPie]

I obviously have no idea what they are saying, but I get the idea that the Drift King and a couple others are actually pretty obnoxious, but sadly I miss out on their behaviour.

As for watching BM I like watching it not just because it is a car show, but because of the races and comparisons. Even if they are biased and not quite ready to drive Ferraris to the max they are really the only group I know of that even attempts these comparisons.

I also love the Clarkson and Tiff style, but there comparisons generally just involve at ton of different camera angles and their subjective thoughts at the end.

The Top Gear track is pretty cool, but even there the wet conditions really screw stuff up. I mean one car might lose 3 seconds in the wet, but another might be just as fast on the dry, but lose 5 seconds in the wet.

[SkylineGTR34VspecII]

truthfully i would get them both. well i might not be able to decide between a 355 or a 360 until i test drove one. i dont know if i could pick. i guess when the time comes i will test drive all of them. OMG my mind just exploded. please dont ask hard questions like this anymore.

BTW i think Tiff is less biased about cars than Clarkson.

[wfrigginlewis]

Ferrari, more willing female passengers...

[ferrari550]

the porsche is a nice car but i would definatly pick the ferrari hands down.

[scubywrxr]

Yeah u right Jabba.. don`t wanna lose my avatar! so gonna keep the scoob a little while longer. Although I initially had a pet hate for anything that was not normally aspirated, I am now officially addicted to boost :lol:

The gallardo needs to be `vertible so that the V10 can sing out loud! so u can have it for now Jabba...
Gotta hand it to ferrari - their v8 is the best sounding engine in the world imho.. scooby burble a close second mind you :P
Alfa romeo V6 a distant 3rd, bmw straight 6 ties with the merc kompressor V8 AMG and Mclaren bmw V12for 4th.. any other V12 comes in next!

hmmm scooby burble with BEEG exhaust sounds nice.. need to hear now - going for a burn - c ya later..

[maalox]

I'd have to say Ferrari. It's annoying that so many posers drive them, but in terms of passion and design, it beats the Porsche. High revving engine + lightweight RWD chassis = driving bliss! Black on black with the manual 'box for me please :wink: .

[Chaos in 1983!]

I like the 355 better but between these two Id' take a Ferrari 360 Modena/Red/Manual...my reasons:
1)It's a Ferrari
2)The SOUND of that lovely V8
and
3)It's a Ferrari...

[WhiteP]

Ferrari. I imagine of owning a Ferrari more than owning a Porsche.

[themailman34]

Ferrari for sure.........In Tour de France Blue with tan interior and F1 transmission

No doubt that id like the Porsche but a Ferrari is a Ferrari

But if i planned to be driving that car daily, than the Porsche would be my pick

[maalox]

Ferrari is too appealing: black/manual/BBS rims. Ultimately slower, but still has plenty of go, mid engine chassis dynamics, fabulous NA engine, great looks, and the cachet of the Ferrari name. Makes the 911 almost seem common! Still, the 911 Turbo is arguably the most well rounded supercar out there.

[SFDMALEX]

[quote="maalox"] Ultimately slower, but still has plenty of go,quote]


Were did you get the idea of it being "Ultimatetly slower"?

[hemi_fan]

Id choose the porsche, I hate the 360's looks, and I dont like those wide supercar stances. The porsche is more of a classic upright stance, and I think it looks amazing. Plus its not the slowest car on the block ;)

[cho_888]

Ferrrari! because it looks good in red and the engine sounds so so so good.

[callen]

Ferrari, ive seen em both in person. the turbo is of course a very very sick car but its not a ferrari! nothin can compare. not as reliable? who fuckin cares!!! ill take mine as a coupe, metallic silver, 6 speed.

[maalox]

[quote=maalox] Ultimately slower, but still has plenty of go,quote]


Were did you get the idea of it being "Ultimatetly slower"?

Less traction (RWD), less torque, and less power. Lighter, but in the real world an AWD car will virtually always beat a RWD car, no matter how well sorted the RWD car may be (why we see no AWD F1 cars). Also, the 360 is drag limited to a top speed of somewhere in the low 180s (vs. the Turbo's 194mph) and slower to 60 by 0.4 s (4.6 vs 4.2 for the Porsche - CAR). The 360 is prone to slight oversteer which is fun on the track but wasteful in focused driving. Finally, although BM is by no means a completely objective source, the 360 lost in the 0-60, time trial, 1/4 mile, and race to the Porsche.

Anyway, as you can see, I was not easily convinced of this fact myself, and only through considerable research have I decided that the Ferrari is actually slower. I still love it to death though, and would always take it over the Porsche.

[Bilal786]

Personally, i'd go for an SL55/SL600. But sinc eyou've narrowed it down to those two particular cars. How about you skip the struggling torque-less raw-edged, unreliable, expensive to maintain pasta rocket, and go for the 911.Which isn't exactly flaw-less, hence my decision (don't try to point out the bad points of the SL, I already know what they are...heavy, not involving, blah blah.) Stick with the Turbo, it can do things most other cars can't 0X

[Guest]

Personally, i'd go for an SL55/SL600. (don't try to point out the bad points of the SL, I already know what they are...heavy, not involving, blah blah.)

:D im a big fan of the SL55 AMG too!!! i know its not as fun to drive as a 911 turbo or ferrari 360 but its better overall. you can take it to the track, drop the top, use it as a daily driver, go on a weekend trip, all in luxury adn comfort AND its as fast, 0-60 as a ferrari. great overall car and i do recognize its flaws but overall its my fav car.

glad to see an old topic of mine revived like this!! :)

[Ivanhoe]

Well, as soon as I saw the title of this thread i knew what was gonna happen... Ferrari would win hands down... In my opinion this just isn't fair. Almost everybody will take the Ferrari over the Porsche for the following reasons.
1) its a ferrari...
2) it has great sound
3) it attracts the chicks

This is wrong wrong wrong.

Overall Porsche is the better car and if you ask any professional that has tested them both evenly they will say the same. The EVO car of the year a few years ago was a showdown between the 911 turbo and the 360... Porsche won

[themailman34]

isnt this OUR opinions tho

I wouldnt rely too much on magazine opinions. Id rather drive both and then decide

[SkylineGTR34VspecII]

Honestly I would have to test drive both thoroughly. I love both cars. Sometimes I :twisted: want one more than the other. Truthfully I am going to own both. 8)

[deth]

hard question....i think i'd have to do with the turbo if its my only car and use the remaining $$ that i saved not buying the 360 to mod it....but if it was a second car..i'd have to go w/ teh 360.....hell, its a ferrari!

[Fluxlo]

It's funny how the superior handling "better track car" (the 360 if you didn't get the hints of sarcaism yet) runs the Nordschleife (one of the ultimate, if not the ultimate tracks to test the overall handling and performance capabilities of a car) 13 seconds slower than a 911 turbo (which runs a 7:56, same with the 2003 vette z06 and NSX-R). Though the 360 is a very good example of a pure sportscar (great handling, lightweight, good balance, responsive), it is no match for the 911 turbo with it's gobs of torque, leech like grip, and fantastic handling. If the world was a perfect place, i'd have a turbo for everyday driving and a 360 for the weekends. But since the world is far from that. I'd pick the porsche.

[alondahan]

It's funny how the superior handling "better track car" (the 360 if you didn't get the hints of sarcaism yet) runs the Nordschleife (one of the ultimate, if not the ultimate tracks to test the overall handling and performance capabilities of a car) 13 seconds slower than a 911 turbo (which runs a 7:56, same with the 2003 vette z06 and NSX-R). Though the 360 is a very good example of a pure sportscar (great handling, lightweight, good balance, responsive), it is no match for the 911 turbo with it's gobs of torque, leech like grip, and fantastic handling. If the world was a perfect place, i'd have a turbo for everyday driving and a 360 for the weekends. But since the world is far from that. I'd pick the porsche.

the turbo and the z06 don't run 7:56 in the ring. a 911 gt3 runs 7:56, and it's much faster than a turbo or a zo6. and the 360 was proven to be faster than a turbo and a zo6 around a track.

[SFDMALEX]

It's funny how the superior handling "better track car" (the 360 if you didn't get the hints of sarcaism yet) runs the Nordschleife (one of the ultimate, if not the ultimate tracks to test the overall handling and performance capabilities of a car) 13 seconds slower than a 911 turbo (which runs a 7:56, same with the 2003 vette z06 and NSX-R). Though the 360 is a very good example of a pure sportscar (great handling, lightweight, good balance, responsive), it is no match for the 911 turbo with it's gobs of torque, leech like grip, and fantastic handling. If the world was a perfect place, i'd have a turbo for everyday driving and a 360 for the weekends. But since the world is far from that. I'd pick the porsche.

Fluxo the runs and Nordschliefe mean nothing, because they are driven by different people who arent really pushing their cars for obvious reasons.

[maalox]

It's funny how the superior handling "better track car" (the 360 if you didn't get the hints of sarcaism yet) runs the Nordschleife (one of the ultimate, if not the ultimate tracks to test the overall handling and performance capabilities of a car) 13 seconds slower than a 911 turbo (which runs a 7:56, same with the 2003 vette z06 and NSX-R). Though the 360 is a very good example of a pure sportscar (great handling, lightweight, good balance, responsive), it is no match for the 911 turbo with it's gobs of torque, leech like grip, and fantastic handling. If the world was a perfect place, i'd have a turbo for everyday driving and a 360 for the weekends. But since the world is far from that. I'd pick the porsche.

the turbo and the z06 don't run 7:56 in the ring. a 911 gt3 runs 7:56, and it's much faster than a turbo or a zo6. and the 360 was proven to be faster than a turbo and a zo6 around a track.


Where has the 360 been proven to be faster around a track? I've always seen the Turbo quoted as the faster one.

[alondahan]

It's funny how the superior handling "better track car" (the 360 if you didn't get the hints of sarcaism yet) runs the Nordschleife (one of the ultimate, if not the ultimate tracks to test the overall handling and performance capabilities of a car) 13 seconds slower than a 911 turbo (which runs a 7:56, same with the 2003 vette z06 and NSX-R). Though the 360 is a very good example of a pure sportscar (great handling, lightweight, good balance, responsive), it is no match for the 911 turbo with it's gobs of torque, leech like grip, and fantastic handling. If the world was a perfect place, i'd have a turbo for everyday driving and a 360 for the weekends. But since the world is far from that. I'd pick the porsche.

the turbo and the z06 don't run 7:56 in the ring. a 911 gt3 runs 7:56, and it's much faster than a turbo or a zo6. and the 360 was proven to be faster than a turbo and a zo6 around a track.


Where has the 360 been proven to be faster around a track? I've always seen the Turbo quoted as the faster one.

I posted links to 2 R&T tests (just 2 of many tests in many magazines). just look in the older posts.

[Fluxlo]

It's funny how the superior handling "better track car" (the 360 if you didn't get the hints of sarcaism yet) runs the Nordschleife (one of the ultimate, if not the ultimate tracks to test the overall handling and performance capabilities of a car) 13 seconds slower than a 911 turbo (which runs a 7:56, same with the 2003 vette z06 and NSX-R). Though the 360 is a very good example of a pure sportscar (great handling, lightweight, good balance, responsive), it is no match for the 911 turbo with it's gobs of torque, leech like grip, and fantastic handling. If the world was a perfect place, i'd have a turbo for everyday driving and a 360 for the weekends. But since the world is far from that. I'd pick the porsche.

Fluxo the runs and Nordschliefe mean nothing, because they are driven by different people who arent really pushing their cars for obvious reasons.

A statement such as this could be argued either way, and is thus invalid (someone could have just as easily said that for the r&t tests)

alondahan - according to the nurburging website, those numbers ARE real. To be sure i'll scour the web for more sources for precision sake

This is what i've got so far

http://www.nurburgring.de/?rubrik=rekorde&lang=eng
http://bmwdeler.no/nordschleife.html

and if you look closely at the first site you'll noticed that the same person tested both cars, as well as over half the cars recorded there. I'm sure he shows little favour to one car or another, he's just trying to push every one of em as hard as possible, but of course it's hard to be sure of that unless you're the driver himself.

I'll keep looking though

[scubywrxr]

I would put my money on the turbo around a medium to fast track.. 360 may have the edge on a twistier circuit though.. anyone willn to lend me their 996 TT or 360 so that we can settle this once and for all? :mrgreen:

[CarreraGtRacer]

911 Turbo...IMO better looks, better performance and in the rain the 360 Modena stands no chance at all...well in the dry it stood no chance but still in the rain bye bye

[Guest]

damn, still going. :mrgreen:

[PATo355]

Of course the Modena ... and the Spyder , good looking , fast , and a ferrari
While the turbo looks a little outdated now ... it needs a facelift , the Ferrari in some time will bcome a classic ... while the Turbo just another old turbo :fadein:

[HoboPie]

The Nurburgring is a rather unique place, first it is an odd track that is unlike anything Ferrari's are designed for.

The second thing is, Porsche essentially lives on that track. They design their cars to go quickly there. It is certainly a good testing ground, but not the only place in the world.

In mean in general the Enzo is probably a little quicker than the CGT, but at Nurburgring it is a littel slower. Also what is especially important is not a cars limit, but the drivers confidence. If he feels safer he will go faster, the 360 is a high powered rwd, not the safest thing in the world.

[Ziploc]

to me the balance of the ferrari would provide more driver satsifaction and more involement

the 4wd of the turbo is great for times but not the greatest for 'active' handling

[Fleischmann]

Without ant hesitation I'd pick the germn car. The porsche is just so good looking, I'ts a shame I can't say the same about the Modena. Well, it in't exactly ugly, but it's lost some of the good looks from its predecessor - the 355.

[crasherror]

I love the turbo it is an absolute monster and it will always be a classic. the ferrari will age just as well as the mondial did. I feel the the porsche will have a classic design that will always be regarded as one of the best cars in history. Plus you can use a Porsche in any weather or use it as daily transport.