Ohhh My God Look at this......

[fabro_s]

Well im a big fan of Gran Turismo series for playstation, but now I cant believe how this is becoming so real, I mean sometime you cant see if its real or not, Im waitng for Gran Turismo 4, 500+ cars, 100 tracks from all over the world, and the most interesting, now you have Photo Mode, where you can picture your cars in replays or in real life locations, look at this pictures!!!!.................


http://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=45253

[T-Bird]

well luckily it's about 90% official for November in the US can't ever be 100% with Polyphony

[TT]

Of course the pics of the Falken Skyline at the Ring are marvellous!

[T-Bird]

As long as there isn't another Miata/MX5 endurance race on the ring I will be happy and the best pic is definitely the Falken Skyline in the distance at the ring.

[TT]

The enduro at the ring will be done with the pink Yaris / Vitz ;)

[T-Bird]

The enduro at the ring will be done with the pink Yaris / Vitz ;)

Not even funny that would keep me from completing the game

[fabro_s]

Hhahaha yeah, I sometimes hate the small cars, and I just hope theres ferrari, Porsche an Lamborghini in the game, imagine taking pictures of them all night :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[SFDMALEX]

ughhh Real? You think gran turismo is real?

You want real get real.

http://www.simbin.se/

[fabro_s]

Its good I cant deny it, but it has nothing to do with gran turismo, the best driving simulator of all times, common 500+ cars, worldwide tracks, excellent graphicssssss, GT4 RULZZ

[SFDMALEX]

Its good I cant deny it, but it has nothing to do with gran turismo, the best driving simulator of all times, common 500+ cars, worldwide tracks, excellent graphicssssss, GT4 RULZZ

Dude calling Gran Tursimo the best driving simulator of all times is an insult to the sim world. You obviously dont know any REAL simulators. Please do your research.

[crazidude]

GT is a great driving simulator, but not the best. I personally like the TOCA pro race driver thing. But GT3 is one of the better driving games that you can get.
I think the best simulators are the ones you download and p2p for. Never tried em, but they do look godly.

I personally like the TVR in the forest. Although the Skyline from far away does look damn amazing.

[Tomerville]

Wow some of those are stunning! And then there is the Endurance/Falken Skyline *drool*

[RC45]

The Gran Turismo franchise may not be "the best" - but it is surely the most polished very enjoyable.

It is the only console game that I keep going back to.

Hell - even the PC driving games don't always make it from PC to PC when I upgrade, but GT3 is never far away.

[SFDMALEX]

The Gran Turismo franchise may not be "the best" - but it is surely the most polished very enjoyable.


I completly agree with you on that. Its a very polished and enjoyble game, but its not hardcore simulator people say it is. And when people do say it they usualy dont know what they are talking about and just repeat what they read in a magazine or on the game box.

[dingo]

Hhahaha yeah, I sometimes hate the small cars, and I just hope theres ferrari, Porsche an Lamborghini in the game, imagine taking pictures of them all night :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

There won't be any Ferrari's or Lambo's, but it will feature RUF's which is close enough.

[dingo]

ughhh Real? You think gran turismo is real?

You want real get real.

http://www.simbin.se/

Do you know on what platforms and when that game (GTR) will be avaliable?

[SFDMALEX]

ughhh Real? You think gran turismo is real?

You want real get real.

http://www.simbin.se/

Do you know on what platforms and when that game (GTR) will be avaliable?

PC and XBOX. Late summer 2004 for PC, XBOX unknown.

[mindgam3]

if only it had ferrari, lambo n porsche endorsement.....

[graywolf624]

GT4 is pretty damn real with a wheel. It's not 100 percent correct, but it is damn close. The gtr game beats it, sure. But then as said above gt has better polish.

The issues I have with gt4 are more due to the tuning aspect then the stock cars. For the most part the stock cars feel correct.

[360modena]

Hhahaha yeah, I sometimes hate the small cars, and I just hope theres ferrari, Porsche an Lamborghini in the game, imagine taking pictures of them all night :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

There won't be any Ferrari's or Lambo's, but it will feature RUF's which is close enough.

Nothings yet done, few weeks ago a serious french site about the game
started telling there won't be any porsche or ferrari but have a doubt cause
in the making of movie some images shows ferraris and it is known
by serious informator that 348, 355 and 360 have been tryed in Japan
just like Porches. With Lambo that's another problem, a european society
bought license and is now closed, polyphony got lot's of trouble buying it,
and as far as I can remember the Japan GT3 got Lambo JGTC.

If this is not case I'll be happy to drive Tthe CLk GTR aswell... :wink:

source : http://perso.wanadoo.fr/site.neo/indexa.htm
cars are classified by country...

[fabro_s]

That french site is really good, its info is really good!, thanx for the link!!

[Gimp]

I am definitely going ot buy this if it is going to come out on PC. The pictures look amazing.

[TT]

Sorry but GT4 will never come out on PC :D

[rachaderua]

very good one..i didn´t know about that :D

[SFDMALEX]

GT4 is pretty damn real with a wheel. It's not 100 percent correct, but it is damn close. The gtr game beats it, sure. But then as said above gt has better polish.

The issues I have with gt4 are more due to the tuning aspect then the stock cars. For the most part the stock cars feel correct.

If its anything like GT3 then I'm very dissapointed. The slip curves were moddeled like shit in GT3......and they way you could save the rear end from swapping ends with the front made me laugh.

[oscargarza88]

:shock: :shock: :shock:
it looks soo real! i cant wait 4 it to come out! i dont know whivh pic is best.. they r lots of great ones!
oh and thx fabro :wink:

[bmagni]

i hope it just have things better than GT3, that wasnt that great... PGR2 is way much better, the realism is not the same but its more fun

[chipanggo]

i've been waiting for gt4 for the longest time. seeing those pictures makes me want it even more.

[tigerx]

oh man wow the tuscan speed 6 is GORGEOUS!!! WOW!!! i'm so gonna buy a ps2 for this game

[rebel88]

The entire Gran Turismo series is accessible to all types of people who enjoy cars and not the hardcore enthusiasts. It is easy to see why some people would get upset, but all in all it is a great racing game for the masses with a tradition of everyday cars and gorgeous graphics.

[HeilSvenska]

BMW 1-series





and Zonda

[itsthepham]

I seriously cant wait for this game. but the wait is worth it cause as we all know the game will be flawless. :D and take forever to beat. haha

[hwe]

GT4 is pretty damn real with a wheel. It's not 100 percent correct, but it is damn close. The gtr game beats it, sure. But then as said above gt has better polish.

The issues I have with gt4 are more due to the tuning aspect then the stock cars. For the most part the stock cars feel correct.

If its anything like GT3 then I'm very dissapointed. The slip curves were moddeled like shit in GT3......and they way you could save the rear end from swapping ends with the front made me laugh.

I played GT4 prologue. Dissapointed me, not much improvement in the handling. And the rally handling still sucks. GT is still miles away from simulation. Its still is an arcade game. And will sell millions of copies because people find it fun. Not me though :wink:

[SFDMALEX]

GT4 is pretty damn real with a wheel. It's not 100 percent correct, but it is damn close. The gtr game beats it, sure. But then as said above gt has better polish.

The issues I have with gt4 are more due to the tuning aspect then the stock cars. For the most part the stock cars feel correct.

If its anything like GT3 then I'm very dissapointed. The slip curves were moddeled like shit in GT3......and they way you could save the rear end from swapping ends with the front made me laugh.

I played GT4 prologue. Dissapointed me, not much improvement in the handling. And the rally handling still sucks. GT is still miles away from simulation. Its still is an arcade game. And will sell millions of copies because people find it fun. Not me though :wink:

Thanks for the little review. Its exactly what I thought...oh well :roll: Thank god for LFS and GTR. For US real simmers :D

[graywolf624]

If its anything like GT3 then I'm very dissapointed. The slip curves were moddeled like shit in GT3......and they way you could save the rear end from swapping ends with the front made me laugh.

What way save the rears and slip curves are you talking about. Countersteer?

With the controller I think gt3 is practically useless..
With a steering wheel, if you can manage smooth input and deal with the one nag of delayed inputs its great. I find it pretty accurate as well(other then the rally stuff which isnt and we wont go there). My main gripe re gt3 is the interaction with the scenery/walls on impact. It has been proven that gt is incredibly realisitc and the best for a CONSOLE (take examples of lap times of professional drivers). I have to respectibly disagree. Its a really adequate simulation if you drive how a race car should be driven. Many of the cars handle very similar to their real life equivelent for me. Its not the best, but it is one of the..
take the handling of trail braking and acceleration out. These are very well handled in the gt series. They also do a decent job of handling alltitude transitions. Where the series lacks is most related to allowing for carefully modulated inputs(see controller delays and short commings above) and the handling of impacts into other things(which your not supposed to do in the first place!)

[SFDMALEX]

If its anything like GT3 then I'm very dissapointed. The slip curves were moddeled like shit in GT3......and they way you could save the rear end from swapping ends with the front made me laugh.

What way save the rears and slip curves are you talking about. Countersteer?

With the controller I think gt3 is practically useless..
With a steering wheel, if you can manage smooth input and deal with the one nag of delayed inputs its great. I find it pretty accurate as well(other then the rally stuff which isnt and we wont go there). My main gripe re gt3 is the interaction with the scenery/walls on impact. It has been proven that gt is incredibly realisitc and the best for a CONSOLE (take examples of lap times of professional drivers). I have to respectibly disagree. Its a really adequate simulation if you drive how a race car should be driven. Many of the cars handle very similar to their real life equivelent for me. Its not the best, but it is one of the..
take the handling of trail braking and acceleration out. These are very well handled in the gt series. They also do a decent job of handling alltitude transitions. Where the series lacks is most related to allowing for carefully modulated inputs(see controller delays and short commings above) and the handling of impacts into other things(which your not supposed to do in the first place!)

The tire slip curves in the game are pathetic sorry. You got grip, slightly to much throttle and the tires are gone still giving some grip, but that slidding transition is far to big. And I tried it with two different steering wheels. Speaking of that the force feedback on GT3 was quite bad.

Laptimes dont mean anything in this case sorry. Just because you get close to real life times in the game it doesnt mean its a proper simulation.

" Many of the cars handle very similar to their real life equivelent for me. Its not the best, but it is one of the..
take the handling of trail braking and acceleration out. These are very well handled in the gt series. They also do a decent job of handling alltitude transitions. "

yeah true, it "has" those things modelled but the way they are moddeled needs big time improvment.

The final is, yeah its the best attempt at simulating cars in the console world up to date. It may have that lable simulation just like Crimson Sky can be sonsidered a flight simulator since some things in it are moddeled correctly. But its a bad simulator.

Plus how is it possible for these people to moddel properly so many cars? What values do they get for each car?

I drove it, thousands of other simmers drove it and it can not even compare to a proper PC simulator.

I test for SBDT and there are what? Forgot the number...15 or so different moddels and the amout of time that is spent on physics work is just to much to handel. The analyzation of telemetry data, the implantation into the physics engine takes thousands of man hours.

Lastly no one will buy a real simulator. They do not sell. They are to hard, because a real simulator is real. And its not easy to drive doesnt matter what car fast around the track.

You should try out a proper simulator once. Something like GTR(demo), LFS(demo), or even GPL(which is still great when not being driven by aliens).

[RC45]

Lastly no one will buy a real simulator. They do not sell. They are to hard, because a real simulator is real. And its not easy to drive doesnt matter what car fast around the track.
THAT is the problem - there is no need for a REAL simulator to be more difficult to master than real life. :roll: As I point out below, jumping behind the wheel of a real performance car is NOT the slip sliding spinning wheel lockup crashing display that REAL simulators so proudly extol - it is no good to have all the behavioural data in the physics engine - and then NOT be able to react quick enough for the human input... THAT is the probem with all the "REAL" simulators" - They are NOT real - sure they are full of real data, but they are real in their response time.

You should try out a proper simulator once. Something like GTR(demo), LFS(demo), or even GPL(which is still great when not being driven by aliens).

WHy does one need to try out a "proper simulator"?

I have said this before, and will say it again - I have taken my car (a 1:1 real non-simulated Z06) and thrashed it around in the woods and deserted parking lots and quiet freeways and the drag-strip beofre (I am not talking track comparisons, as the only track local to us is not modelled by anyone) and GT3 has been the only game similar enough to be representative of the car in an similar-to-real way.

PGR was a joke, as have been other "simulations" and games that have tried to model the Vette.

Why? For one thing they present the car as a tail happy slip-n-slide ride that has a propensity to lockup it's tyres and understeer like a mofo when not spinning like a ballerena.

The above behaviour requires you ro compensate the forces and actions you input into the game in a most unrealistic and non-driver like way in order to keep the car on the road - in short you need to console-arcade-compensate.

What does all this mean? While driving GT3, you can think and input as you do on the road, and receive similar results.

And if the Z06 feels relatively close to reality, I would then think that many of the other cars also behave similarly - as they did put in THOUSANDS of man-hours into GT3 - and are doing the same with GT4.

THAT to me is the measure of a simulation - not just the bland presentation of recorded real-time data gathered in the chosen physics engine.

Which is why PGR is great for kids, and GT is great for enthusiasts... ;) :P