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T-Bird
06-22-2004, 03:03 PM
well are those in US dollars at the second part?
360CS about $180,000
Murcielago $300,000
SLR probably around $400,000
GT2 around $150,000

graywolf624
06-22-2004, 03:14 PM
purchasing power parity:)..

An economic method of comparing real money valuation by looking at the costs of a similar item across locales.

PATo355
06-22-2004, 03:45 PM
This is a repost but ....

RS6 Avant 190 thousand dollars
Ferrari 360 Spider 320 thousand dollars
Porsche 911 GT2 374 thousand dollars
MB SL500 200 thousand dollars
Porsche Cayenne Turbo 180 thousand dollars
Porsche 911 Turbo 210 Thousand Dollars

Fleischmann
06-22-2004, 03:47 PM
Can't buy any of them cars over here. Pay the price in Germany, then a bit more to get it taxed.

Mers
06-22-2004, 03:56 PM
Here in brazil there's a pretty basic equation for cars..especially the ones we all like (ferrari, porsche, bmw etc...)

1. Take the price in dollars, and double it...
2. Convert this price into the currency here (real) by x' it by 3.16(the present value of the dollar in reais)
3. add tax and shipping rates(could get to about 50 000 reais, depends a lot on the car) and you roughly have a price of a good car here in brazil..

For example, Lambo Gallardo, 1, 010, 000 reais roughly (i can't remember properly)

Mini cooper S - 53,000 US$...about 160,000 reais, the price of a '96 carrera 2

shocking isn't it...that's because i didnt mention the few people who try to bring classic cars from england...(instead of X'ing by 3, X by 5...)

RC45
06-22-2004, 04:01 PM
..and please also throw into the mix the average starting salary for a junior, mid and senior worker - as well as housing rent and purchase - and some bare essentials as well, say gasoline, bread, milk and beer... :P

I have done this math so many times (both before and after moving to the USA) and it is astounding just how cheap and easy it is to live in the USA.

And remember, we are talking basic survival here - you finish school, and enter the world without parental money and you are not about to live in Hollywood, or Monaco or Mid-town Manhattan etc.

Just a regular working stiff trying to stay alive.

Lets make this a "real world comparison".

You will be surprised... :D


The locations
UK

USA

France

Belgium

Australia

South Africa

Mexico

Iraq

India

Brazil

The Players
High school graduate: Bob

3 year college graduate: Maria

4 year univarsity graduate: Helga

Trade school graduate: Sven

The jobs they manage to get
a.) Fast Food Worker:

b.) Entry level Office Clerk:

c.) Post Graduate Intern:

d.) Retail Sales:

e.) Other:

The money they make in each job in the target countries in LOCAL currency.
UK
a.)
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c.)
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e.)

USA
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e.)

France
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e.)

Belgium
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d.)
e.)

Australia
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c.)
d.)
e.)

South Africa
a.)
b.)
c.)
d.)
e.)

Mexico
a.)
b.)
c.)
d.)
e.)

Iraq
a.)
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d.)
e.)

India
a.)
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Brazil
a.)
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The taxes they pay
Expressed as a percentage of their income
UK

USA

France

Belgium

Australia

South Africa

Mexico

Iraq

India

Brazil


The prices of goods and services they try buy expressed as a percentage of their annual income
Used 4-door 2l econo-sedan
UK

USA

France

Belgium

Australia

South Africa

Mexico

Iraq

India

Brazil

New Toyota Corolla base model:
UK

USA

France

Belgium

Australia

South Africa

Mexico

Iraq

India

Brazil

New 600cc motorcycle:
UK

USA

France

Belgium

Australia

South Africa

Mexico

Iraq

India

Brazil

Rent a 2 room apartment/flat:
UK

USA

France

Belgium

Australia

South Africa

Mexico

Iraq

India

Brazil

Buy a 3 bedroom house in a suburb:
UK

USA

France

Belgium

Australia

South Africa

Mexico

Iraq

India

Brazil

Buy a gallon/lire of fuel:
UK

USA

France

Belgium

Australia

South Africa

Mexico

Iraq

India

Brazil

Buy a 50" colour TV:
UK

USA

France

Belgium

Australia

South Africa

Mexico

Iraq

India

Brazil

Buy a fast food burger:
UK

USA

France

Belgium

Australia

South Africa

Mexico

Iraq

India

Brazil

Buy a movie ticket:
UK

USA

France

Belgium

Australia

South Africa

Mexico

Iraq

India

Brazil

PATo355
06-22-2004, 04:05 PM
Here in brazil there's a pretty basic equation for cars..especially the ones we all like (ferrari, porsche, bmw etc...)

1. Take the price in dollars, and double it...
2. Convert this price into the currency here (real) by x' it by 3.16(the present value of the dollar in reais)
3. add tax and shipping rates(could get to about 50 000 reais, depends a lot on the car) and you roughly have a price of a good car here in brazil..

For example, Lambo Gallardo, 1, 010, 000 reais roughly (i can't remember properly)

Mini cooper S - 53,000 US$...about 160,000 reais, the price of a '96 carrera 2

shocking isn't it...that's because i didnt mention the few people who try to bring classic cars from england...(instead of X'ing by 3, X by 5...)

Its almost the same here , get hte price in the US , then add 95% of taxes and voila !!!

BTW the cooper is very expensive there , here its only 35 thousand dollars , and YOU guys in brazil make the ENGINE !!! that is crazy , maybe cuz of the production of cars in brazil they try to protect the national cars .

BTW , how much do they charge for an A3 1.8T made in brazil ?

ahmedgiyab
06-22-2004, 04:09 PM
Lambo Murcielago: $200,000
GT2: $180,000
S500: $90,000
Lumina SS 5.7: $30,000
CL500: $100,000
745Li: $90,000

PATo355
06-22-2004, 04:12 PM
Lambo Murcielago: $200,000
GT2: $180,000
S500: $90,000
Lumina SS 5.7: $30,000
CL500: $100,000
745Li: $90,000


Fuck man , you country does not pay taxes ? how is the average income per capita there ?

A GT2 at 180 is less than in germany , those are dollars right ?

ahmedgiyab
06-22-2004, 04:15 PM
Lambo Murcielago: $200,000
GT2: $180,000
S500: $90,000
Lumina SS 5.7: $30,000
CL500: $100,000
745Li: $90,000


Fuck man , you country does not pay taxes ? how is the average income per capita there ?

A GT2 at 180 is less than in germany , those are dollars right ?

There are no taxes... :wink: ...yes its in USD....

and sometimes yes the cars are cheaper than in Germany...also the

customs are very low...(app:3-4%)... :)

RC45
06-22-2004, 04:16 PM
Lambo Murcielago: $200,000
GT2: $180,000
S500: $90,000
Lumina SS 5.7: $30,000
CL500: $100,000
745Li: $90,000

Ok - so on a par with the USA... so I am guessing entry level cars will also be about $12,000 to $18,000 then.

What would an entry level job candidate earn?

$25,000 per annum? $40,000? $65,000? $80,000? $100,000?

I wonder in how many countries the entry level car is more than many peoples annual earnings - let alone the exotica...

PATo355
06-22-2004, 04:19 PM
RC45 , look at my prices ,double the US ones , and an entry level Job candidate can earn something like 15k yearly . ( that is with studies , lawyer , economy or medician )

An an entry level car , like daewoo Tico , Hyunday Gets cost 5500 dollars , a 206 and fiesta 8500 dollars , a golf starting from 16000 dollars , a GCherokee 50000 dollars , a Porsche 911 C2 , 110000 dollars .

st-anger
06-22-2004, 05:05 PM
Lambo Murcielago: $200,000
GT2: $180,000
S500: $90,000
Lumina SS 5.7: $30,000
CL500: $100,000
745Li: $90,000

:shock: :shock: :shock: fuck it, man...
€75k for a 745Li!!!!!
i payed nearly €120k for a standard 745i :(

T-Bird
06-22-2004, 05:09 PM
yeah those prices seem a bit low they save $100,000 on a Murcielago that's insane!
Your the porsche man how does the GT2 price sound

TT
06-22-2004, 05:15 PM
Just for a reference, Switzerland and our low taxes ;)

Audi RS6 avant: 110'288 USD
360CS, no idea
Murcielago, around 248'000 USD I think, but seems a bit to low
SLR, no idea
996 GT2 is 225'675 USD

It would have been easier if you chose some common cars as it's not easy to find correct list price for supercars..

Mers
06-22-2004, 05:39 PM
BTW , how much do they charge for an A3 1.8T made in brazil

Judging by a MAY magazine, a manual model costs about R$69k, made in Brazil..

Also, I forgot to mention the famous bulletproof equation...
Here in Brazil, especially in Sao Paulo where I live, there is a HUGE amount of bulletproof cars...(SP has the biggest amount of bulletproof cars in the streets, in the whole world)
Most imported cars are Bulletproof, and they cost about 150% of the original price (mentionned in previous post) plus, the Insurance is like 10 per cent of 0KM value..or more I think...and average wages in Brazil is about 400 reais...
to become 1% of the brazilian citizens (the elite) you have to get about 1200 reais a month...that is 2% of the whole population 169 million ppl...so, to afford a simple BMW 540i (my father has one) without being bullet proof, or paying insurance..you have to be in the 20% of that 1%...pretty amazing huh...

ahmedgiyab
06-22-2004, 05:42 PM
Lambo Murcielago: $200,000
GT2: $180,000
S500: $90,000
Lumina SS 5.7: $30,000
CL500: $100,000
745Li: $90,000

:shock: :shock: :shock: fuck it, man...
€75k for a 745Li!!!!!
i payed nearly €120k for a standard 745i :(

€120k for a 745i???? :shock:

For €110k you get a 760Li here.... :lol:

TT
06-22-2004, 05:46 PM
76'000 € here for a 745i

The top of the line 760Li is 117'000 €

PATo355
06-22-2004, 06:15 PM
745i here costs 125k euro

They could have charged 400k euro for a good looking one !!!

If ppl are willing to pay 125k for such an ugly car i bet 400k is very cheap for a good looking one :wink:

abbor
06-22-2004, 06:41 PM
In Norway:

Audi RS6 Avant - 215.771 $ - 178.355 € - 118.771 £

Ferrari 360 Modena - 255.334 $ - 211.057 € - 140.548 £

Lamborghini Murcielago - 369.525 $ - 305.446 € - 203.404 £

SLR McLaren - 737.631 $ - 609 720 € - 406.028 £

Porsche 911 GT2 - 333.352 $ - 275.547 € - 183.493 £

BMW 745i - 188.664 $ - 155.948 € - 103.850 £

The prices on the 360 is because we have no official Ferrari importer, therefor this price is from the time when we had one(I know it's supoosed to be a CS)
The Murcielago is private imported..

gbg
06-22-2004, 09:00 PM
BTW , how much do they charge for an A3 1.8T made in brazil

Judging by a MAY magazine, a manual model costs about R$69k, made in Brazil..

Also, I forgot to mention the famous bulletproof equation...
Here in Brazil, especially in Sao Paulo where I live, there is a HUGE amount of bulletproof cars...(SP has the biggest amount of bulletproof cars in the streets, in the whole world)
Most imported cars are Bulletproof, and they cost about 150% of the original price (mentionned in previous post) plus, the Insurance is like 10 per cent of 0KM value..or more I think...and average wages in Brazil is about 400 reais...
to become 1% of the brazilian citizens (the elite) you have to get about 1200 reais a month...that is 2% of the whole population 169 million ppl...so, to afford a simple BMW 540i (my father has one) without being bullet proof, or paying insurance..you have to be in the 20% of that 1%...pretty amazing huh...

yeah i can only confirm what u said

it's our sad reality...

u forgot that our streets are completely destroyed, and there is no place where u can reach high speeds safely

Mers
06-22-2004, 09:16 PM
u forgot that our streets are completely destroyed, and there is no place where u can reach high speeds safely


True....and sad too...that's one of the reasons for which i love travelling

Zonda11
06-23-2004, 12:51 AM
76'000 € here for a 745i

The top of the line 760Li is 117'000 €


The most basic 745i would be about 75 ,000 USD [about 61,000 euro] ( accoring to bmw.ca) but you can easily increase it to 85 USD with cool options

Now the 760Li again most basic runs at 125,000 USD [around 103,000 euro] ( bmw.ca)