US GP

[ae86_16v]

P. No Driver Team - Engine Tyres Gaps/Laps Average Stops
1. 1 M.SCHUMACHER Ferrari B 1h40'29"914 182.699 Km/h 2
2. 2 BARRICHELLO Ferrari B + 0'02"950 182.609 Km/h 2
3. 10 SATO BAR Honda M + 0'22"036 182.033 Km/h 2
4. 7 TRULLI Renault M + 0'34"544 181.658 Km/h 2
5. 17 PANIS Toyota M + 0'37"534 181.569 Km/h 2
6. 6 RAIKKONEN McLaren Mercedes M 1 lap(s) 3
7. 5 COULTHARD McLaren Mercedes M 1 lap(s) 3
8. 21 BAUMGARTNER Minardi Cosworth B 3 lap(s) 3

[yg60m]

First point for Minardi since a long time !!! :wink:
The Mclarens finished :shock:
The Ferraris are 1 and 2 : boring :?
Panis 5th : 8)
Sato 3rd : he will become a god in Japan :lol:

[PATo355]

Hahaha , unbeliabable , Ferrari is in a class of it own

[jon_s]

That race was a complete mess! I am just glad everyone seems to be ok after it!

[nejcdolinsek]

Although there was quite a lot of pain in this race, i'll have to say that it was the most interesting race I've seen in quite some time. Even the two Ferraris were neck-at-neck for a good portion of the race.

Alonso's + Ralph's crash was quite spectacular :shock:
The best overtaking manouver was when Schumi passed Barrichello at +350 km/h :P

[Mers]

Can anyone tell me if the safety car is an SLK or SLR?? i have a bet with a friend that it's an slk, since i didn't see tose side air intakes..but i have to know for sure...
Also, WTF happened to the Marlboro signs in Ferrari cars?

[5vz-fe]

looks like a SLK to me.

And I also think this is one of the most interesting race, at one point I almost thought that Rubens' 22 secs is enough for his pitstop and yet Michael still made it thru (hopefully it's not Evil Brawn at work). Nonetheless, the safety cars, the crashes and overtaking of Sato made this the most interesting race of the season so far.

Reliability sure helps (only 8 finished the race).

[nthfinity]

:-D i just got back from the Grand Prix!!!
well, i honestly think Rubens should have won it... M. Shumacher was incredibly fast during the first half the race, but tapered off after the second pit stop...


it was an SLK AMG :) oh my god! that car was very fast (for a road car) and sounded like american muscle...

i can hardly believe so many cars were nocked out so early; thankfully R. Shumacher 'just' had a bruised back.

Jenson was doing in the first half what Takuma was doing in the second. those guys really are amazing drivers.

JP Montoya seems to have been disqualified... i didnt see, but i heard he was black flagged for hopping into a different BMW williams car in a pit stop. pitty, he was driving quite fast too.

i didnt have as good a view as i hoped, but ill post some pictures from the event tomarrow :-D

i cant wait to see the tv coverage :)

[goose93]

My congratulations to the chef. The US GP has deffinately become one of my favorite events. The combination of High speed straights and low grip corners makes it interesting to watch every time. I was a little surprised to see MS in the lead after the second pit stop but even with the 23sec lead Indy does have a pretty long pit lane.

I will mention that I think they should have red flagged for Ralph's accident. His position on the track and the debris field were plenty enough reason to make a 15 minute delay. Besides 10 laps behind the safety car is kind of irritating.

Goose93

[5vz-fe]

It is SLK 55 AMG, the official safety car of F1. McLaren-Mercedes should have used those cars in the beginning of the season, would have at least lasted to the flag :D

Judging by DC is only 1 position ahead of the Minardi, yeah, I would agree the SLK55 indeed will do better LOL

[NYCHonda]

Great race. Sato did great! :D He was awesome.

[yg60m]

It is SLK 55 AMG, the official safety car of F1. McLaren-Mercedes should have used those cars in the beginning of the season, would have at least lasted to the flag

Judging by DC is only 1 position ahead of the Minardi, yeah, I would agree the SLK55 indeed will do better LOL

LOL, i would add that it would be the only way for them to lead a race :lol:

[zachiot1]

Hope sato and button to finish thrid and fourth at the end. it's the first time that button didn't score. only barichello finishes all races

[Vansquish]

Was anyone other than me disturbed at the fact that the marshalls didn't seem to know wtf they were doing? They left debris all over the track and it caused at least 3 noticeable accidents including one which left Ralf in the middle of the track, unconscious for quite some time. Alonso and Fisichella both had tires deflate due to punctures...Alonso's of course being much more spectacular. Why didn't they yellow or red flag the race and clean up the fucking track!?!?!

[jon_s]

Was anyone other than me disturbed at the fact that the marshalls didn't seem to know wtf they were doing? They left debris all over the track and it caused at least 3 noticeable accidents including one which left Ralf in the middle of the track, unconscious for quite some time. Alonso and Fisichella both had tires deflate due to punctures...Alonso's of course being much more spectacular. Why didn't they yellow or red flag the race and clean up the fucking track!?!?!

YES, I was just about to say that. It took ages for them to get to RS, the fact that he did not jump out of the car within a few seconds should have sent alarm bells ringing in people head! Why oh why did the cars not go through the pit lane, it would have made more sense than going through all the debris!

I was an interesting race, things can be learnt from it. I was pleased to see such a larger turn out from the US. Even if the 'stadium' was like half full.

[Caps8419]

we had a radio and could listen to the pits during the race.... they should have cleaned up the track i agree, but they didnt jump out to help RS immidiatly because A. cars were coming, and B. because they were speaking with him from the pits.... he said he was ok but his back hurt and he wanted to get out of his car on his own, but they told him to stay there and they'd cut him out... thats y they waited.... but he was never unconscious. over all a fun race.... very interesting!

[bobafett]

Inmy mind this was the worst race yet in modern F1 history. This was an absolutel ATROCITY.

First off, the idiotic move by MS in the first lap should have had him DQed.
Secondly, his "move" for retaining P1 is pure BS.

Thirdly, RB's pit stop took WAY too long. No team orders? MY ASS. We'll just hold him there.

Fourthly, the marshalls were a disgrace. Not only did it take them EONS to get to RS, but on top of that they did not red flag the race (making the cars run TEN LAPS through the wreckage), nor did they get a sweeper onto the field (more debris and crap causing possible further accidents). The simple move would have been to run the formation THROUGH the pits. This is a prime example of why no ptting should be allowed during yellow / SC periods.

And then what about that CRAP ruling regarding JPM. They let him run SIXTY laps and then decide that his move is illegal? It is such bullshit I don't know where to begin. JPM made the right move and shouldn't have been penalized, let alone 60 goddamn laps later. The FIA should have DQed MS just as well then for his totally illegal move in L1.

All in all, Indy is a goddamn disgrace to F1. What a crock. This is exactly why they need to move it to a real circuit.

--Dan

[Caps8419]

Fourthly, the marshalls were a disgrace. Not only did it take them EONS to get to RS, but on top of that they did not red flag the race (making the cars run TEN LAPS through the wreckage), nor did they get a sweeper onto the field (more debris and crap causing possible further accidents). The simple move would have been to run the formation THROUGH the pits. This is a prime example of why no ptting should be allowed during yellow / SC periods.

And then what about that CRAP ruling regarding JPM. They let him run SIXTY laps and then decide that his move is illegal? It is such bullshit I don't know where to begin. JPM made the right move and shouldn't have been penalized, let alone 60 goddamn laps later. The FIA should have DQed MS just as well then for his totally illegal move in L1.

they had to wait for shumacher for the reason i listed in the post before yours.... i do agree they should have cleaned it up and then resume racing... as for montoya's situation

imagine if they black flagged him earlier in the race and later we find out their ruling was not correct.. if they pull montoya out and are not absolutly, without a doubt, certain that the FIA rules state he had broken one of them; he would be furious to be pulled out of a race, which he could still get points for, unfairly.... they waited till lap 60 because they need to be certain that what he did was outside the rules, otherwise they would have alot to answer for if at a later date their ruling was proven false... he broke the rule and was fairly penalized.

[nthfinity]

All in all, Indy is a goddamn disgrace to F1. What a crock. This is exactly why they need to move it to a real circuit.


ive heard that lake senica was a good track back in the day.

the sweeper did come out, but i agree that they should not have completed 10 laps because of it.

i must say i like the course itself, but the management of the race seems to be lacking. it was still enjoyable.

[nthfinity]

http://www.jabbasworld.net/photopost/data/2/6079Shum_button_sato-med.jpg

http://www.jabbasworld.net/photopost/data/505/6079toyota_F1-med.jpg


http://www.jabbasworld.net/photopost/data/505/6079blue_F1-med.jpg


http://www.jabbasworld.net/photopost/data/505/6079shumacher-med.jpg

i didnt have the best spot for taking pictures, but good enough. i also learned how dificult it is to shoot a car moving so bloody fast :wink:

[bobafett]

caps: i disagree with your assessment. if the rule was clear, then they should've clearly pulled him out early. If I don't care what's going on, it doesn't take SIXTY laps. Plus, I would be MORE pissed off after having raced my heart out for 3/4s of the race only to get pulled for BS at the end. Furthermore, if they did pull him out wrongly, it woudln't have mattered if it was lap 15 or 65, he still would'v ebeen pissed and contested it. And since when does the FIA give a damn what ANYONE thinks?

Not only that, having an extra car on the field unnecessarily is added liability, etc.

Piss poor marshalling.

Nthfinity: if only laguna seca had better facilities.

--Dan

[goose93]

The facility management is local but the race management is F1. The same people who make the decisions @ imola or any other track during an F! race made the decisions here. The facility is great for F1. The track is difficult for both drivers and engineers. Most of the track can easily be seen by spectators. And Indianpolis speedway has a long history in racing including the world championship which brings an element of heritage to the event.

I do agree that many mistakes were made, but the USGP should stay @ indy for the racers, the fans, and F1's marketing in the US. If F1 can grab the attention of the US fans again, an entirely new era in F1 will be born.

[graywolf624]

The issue with jpm was related to him getting off the track before 15 seconds from launch with the rules clearly state. I think they should have called him earlier then that, but I dont think it should have been lap 2. It definitly had to be reviewed to check timing of when he got off the track. Rules are rules, and this one is definitly a good one. Can you imagine someone running across the field at the start to get another car and the race starts while their crossing?

[bobafett]

If rules are rules, then MS' move into turn 1 should have had him DQed or penalized as well, no?

As for Indy: I still disagree. The track layout is considered to be one of the most uninteresting by drivers (one of my F1 mags from last year about the subject), and the "illustrious" history of Indy isn't all that fantastic.

F1 making a hold of the US viewership would be great. I don't think a track will do this, but an American team, or at least an American driver (hello Gordon) will do it in spades. In the meanwhile, Indy needs to be relocated to someplace much more like a european road circuit. Laguna Seca, barring the fact that it just hasn't got the facilities right now, would be absolutely perfect.

Hopefully this will be reason for consideratin given that Indy's contract is up for renewal.

--Dan

[yg60m]

If rules are rules, then MS' move into turn 1 should have had him DQed or penalized as well, no?

As for Indy: I still disagree. The track layout is considered to be one of the most uninteresting by drivers (one of my F1 mags from last year about the subject), and the "illustrious" history of Indy isn't all that fantastic.

F1 making a hold of the US viewership would be great. I don't think a track will do this, but an American team, or at least an American driver (hello Gordon) will do it in spades. In the meanwhile, Indy needs to be relocated to someplace much more like a european road circuit. Laguna Seca, barring the fact that it just hasn't got the facilities right now, would be absolutely perfect.

Hopefully this will be reason for consideratin given that Indy's contract is up for renewal.

--Dan

I agree that the F1 at Laguna Seca would be great, they "choose" Indy because it is famous in the american mind for the Indy 500 and it is maybe a nice track but Laguna would be even better :wink:

[Mers]

I agree that the F1 at Laguna Seca would be great, they "choose" Indy because it is famous in the american mind for the Indy 500 and it is maybe a nice track but Laguna would be even better

Just imagine F! cars in the corkscrew....insane...
but laguna is an extremely "real-carish" track...its not as fast as indy....

The thing with indy is, there are walls...walls are very dangerous...i bet that if ralph hit one of those tyre barriers, or those special walls that are used for nascar (the ones that dismount and brake the car) he would have gotten less hurt...

[jon_s]

What are your opinions on the matter that Schumi broke the rules, when he overtook Barrichello right after the safety car went to the pit. It's against the rules to overtake someone on the same lap and Schumi passed the start line before Barrichello. They were driving neck-to-neck, but still Schumi was over the line first.

I thought that the computer showed that they were over the line at exactly the same time? NOt only that, but RB was shown to lead that lap, therefore MS did not overtake?

[nthfinity]

I thought that the computer showed that they were over the line at exactly the same time? NOt only that, but RB was shown to lead that lap, therefore MS did not overtake?


interesting, very... risky move nonetheless

[graywolf624]

"If rules are rules, then MS' move into turn 1 should have had him DQed or penalized as well, no? "

Well that depends on what you call moves. I only saw 1 real move because the rear car(sato if I recall) was not in passing position but instead far enough back that it seemed more like ms was placing himself back on a line.

Furthermore, the rule jpm violated is a safety rule. My real issue with this weekend still lies with how long they took to get to schumacher.

[philios55]

Can anyone tell me if the safety car is an SLK or SLR?? i have a bet with a friend that it's an slk, since i didn't see tose side air intakes..but i have to know for sure...
Also, WTF happened to the Marlboro signs in Ferrari cars?
definetely the new SLK AMG!

[sads]

He watches his brother have a seriously big crsh and still wins, M.SCHUMACHER is truly the best ever