Problem with Ferrari

[artypossum]

To many any Ferrari is perfection. The power, the speed, the handling and the looks. The problem lies in the last thing I mentioned:the looks. Ferraris are in no way ugly, but they are beginning to lose that family resemblance that makes them, well Ferraris. Take a look at the Enzo and it's original predecessor the 288 GTO. Where is the resemblance, the styling cues bar the rear lights? The 612 Scalgetti is another perfect example. What do all you people think? [/img]

[5.7 V10]

Well to me, Ferrari's have lost thier looks. I think the F335 was the last good looking Ferrari. But yeah, i see what your saying. Shapes used to be much more square. F40 is much different then the Enzo. 612 much different then the 456. The 355 is much different then the Modena. In my opinion of course.

[robruf]

wow i see what your saying never really noticed. but now the styling for Ferraris have been a bit off 612 too round and weird looking lights and the Enzo rounded tail lights? but i still love Ferraris just not the 612. i loved the 288 GTO and the F355 which seemed to base off the older Ferraris but to me the Testarossa was the last true breed of Ferrari and the Enzo doesnt deserve the name of Enzo Ferrari it doesnt look anything like his work
RIP Enzo Ferrari

[ahmedgiyab]

Well to me, Ferrari's have lost thier looks. I think the F335 was the last good looking Ferrari. But yeah, i see what your saying. Shapes used to be much more square. F40 is much different then the Enzo. 612 much different then the 456. The 355 is much different then the Modena. In my opinion of course.

Well...you're right the F355 does look better than the 360... 8)

[dingo]

I think the modern Ferrari's look better than the older ones. I personally love the look of the 360 and the Enzo.

[No.1]

F40 is much different then the Enzo. 612 much different then the 456. The 355 is much different then the Modena. In my opinion of course.

F40 --> F50 --> Enzo... ther is a slight trend as the design gets more extreme and influenced by F1 cars. (the front of the Enzo is very similar to the F50) :)

456 --> 612... there is more than a resemblence. The profiles of the cars are very similar, with a typically long nose, rear-heavy design. Thats just my opinion though.. :wink:

[bobafett]

While I agree that the current cars are losing the resemblances to the older ones (even mine looks nothing like anything previously) - bear in mind that at the time, the F40 was considered a hideous beast, especially compared to the brutal yet smooth lines of the 959.

Form follows function - can anyone really call the McLaren beautiful? No. In my opinion, cars lost their looks in the 60s as a whole. Look at cars like the 250 TR, 250 GT SWB, 275 GTB/4, the Muira, Alfa T33 Stradale - all SEX on wheels. Yes, we've had a few timeless designs (the 355, for instance). But one must remember that most cars are designed with a purpose (at this caliber) and that form will always follow.

So - while the aesthetic beauty may be "on the decline" - the functional beauty is greater than ever.

That's what drew me to the F40. When I started looking for mine - it was never about the looks. It's about what the car represents, that functional purpose from which we derive beauty.

Or I could be a raving idiot... :D

--Dan

[bobafett]

Oh, I meant to add that anyone who considers a Murci, a Gallardo, a Veyron, etc. aesthetically beautiful needs an eye exam...

--Dan

[SFDMALEX]

I dont see anyproblem with Ferrari. At least Ferrari are trying something new, unlike Porsche with the old 911 look for the last 100years........and I adore the 360 and the 550 they are simply beautiful machines

[ahmedgiyab]

I agree!!! Ferrari makes beautiful cars!!! 8)

You guys should argue about the new diesel Jaguars, Jaguar SW,...etc.

These are the heartbreaking "new" trends... :cry:

[graywolf624]

Actually, I feel that the cars definitly look like their recent siblings.
f50->enzo
456-> 612.

As for the previous cars, need I mention the minimal of design simularities between ferrari in the 60s and ferrari in the 80s?

Looks and peoples tastes change with time.

[5.7 V10]

F40 is much different then the Enzo. 612 much different then the 456. The 355 is much different then the Modena. In my opinion of course.

F40 --> F50 --> Enzo... ther is a slight trend as the design gets more extreme and influenced by F1 cars. (the front of the Enzo is very similar to the F50) :)

456 --> 612... there is more than a resemblence. The profiles of the cars are very similar, with a typically long nose, rear-heavy design. Thats just my opinion though.. :wink:

Yes, you are right. The design is unfluned by F1 cars. But they still look nothing alike IMO. The F50 sorta of looks like an Enzo. But the F40 looks completley different from the Enzo. I don't see the 456-612 resemblence. Profile yes. But the tailight's, rear and front are so much different. In my opinion.

[robruf]

You have to change with the times my friends.Yes Ferrari's are getting rounder but so is everything else If you have ever seen an Enzo in person it is simply stunning, and it is a race car inspired car, the designers know what the hell they are doing. The new crop of Ferrari's are the best in dsign since the 1960's.

[bobafett]

The 612 pays homage to the 375MM. Personally, having seen it, I was not overly impressed. I promised I would withhold judgement until viewing it, but upon seeing the car a few times, I must say, it's too large. But that interior is wonderfully modern.

I would still pick a 456 over a 612...now if only you could somehow fit 456 clothing ON a 612...hmm... :D

--Dan

[nejcdolinsek]

Well, the 612 is based on one of Ferrari's earliest 2+2 models...

But for the new styling, I love it! The oldest Ferrari I would like to own is a 512 TR. Everything else (from the '80s and '70s) really doesn't appeal to me. So, I'm happy with the current lineup of Ferrari... Just look at the beautiful 575 :P

[MB300E87]

i dunno i think that Ferrari is in the business of (among other things) making great looking cars. and to me the new ones are still awesome looking. so i don't see that as a problem. and to me there still is a resemblence. i guess its a subjective thing though.l

[5.7 V10]

Well, the 612 is based on one of Ferrari's earliest 2+2 models...

But for the new styling, I love it! The oldest Ferrari I would like to own is a 512 TR. Everything else (from the '80s and '70s) really doesn't appeal to me. So, I'm happy with the current lineup of Ferrari... Just look at the beautiful 575 :P

Yeah, one of the only new Ferrari's i like
is the 575M. Always liked the 550 due to it's
plain and nice looks. Total beast. MMM, give
me an F1 575M in this silver with these wheels.
Black interior

http://www.fast-autos.net/photoarchive/ferrari/575m7.jpg

http://www.fast-autos.net/photoarchive/ferrari/575m10.jpg

http://www.fast-autos.net/photoarchive/ferrari/575m9.jpg

[dingo]

I think the modern Ferrari's look better than the older ones. I personally love the look of the 360 and the Enzo.
http://www.tuningnews.net/gallery/novitec-rosso/17.jpg

oh, those rear taillights are terrible. why!?!?



I agree, but who cares what they look like when you have a twin-supercharged 606hp Ferrari?

[dingo]

Oh, I meant to add that anyone who considers a Murci, a Gallardo, a Veyron, etc. aesthetically beautiful needs an eye exam...

--Dan

Then i guess I need an eye exam. I don't like the Veyron, but I think the Murcielago is the most beautiful car on the road today.

I think someone who doesn't find the below picture beautiful needs an eye exam....lol.

http://speedycars.chinacars.com/wallpaper2/lamborghini/Lamborghini%20Murcielago%202002%20-%20035.jpg

[adlinyusman]

yeah then i need an eye exam too. I love the Murcielago, gallardo and almost all lambos except the 4x4 LM variant. Regarding ferraris, i was in the same camp a couple of months ago when i first sat in the 612 during its world tour. I thought it was ghastly; not enough love and too much function. However since the months have rolled by (and was given the opportunity to test drive one), i have to say that it has grown on me, it's not the shape which brings me the bulk of its qualities, but rather, the way it sounds and drives. Regardless of what everyone has said about the 612, it is a proper ferrari, and when it's a proper ferrari, it is definately one up on any other car make or producer in the world.

[HeilSvenska]

Problem with the 612 is that it was designed by someone named Ken.

[HeilSvenska]

I think the modern Ferrari's look better than the older ones. I personally love the look of the 360 and the Enzo.
http://www.tuningnews.net/gallery/novitec-rosso/17.jpg

oh, those rear taillights are terrible. why!?!?



I agree, but who cares what they look like when you have a twin-supercharged 606hp Ferrari?

Cause it isn't a Ferrari, neither is the twin turbo. I wouldn't tune my Ferrari (if i had one) unless it was done by Ferrari itself.

[HeilSvenska]

Oh, I meant to add that anyone who considers a Murci, a Gallardo, a Veyron, etc. aesthetically beautiful needs an eye exam...

--Dan

Then i guess I need an eye exam. I don't like the Veyron, but I think the Murcielago is the most beautiful car on the road today.

Murcielago is hardly beautiful. It's not shocking as the Miura,Countach, or Diablo to look at. It's a styling derivitive of all three. And it looks rather fat compared with the Diablo

[dingo]

^^ well thats your opinion, everyone has different tastes and it definately suits my taste.

Regarding your previous post.......Who cares by who your Ferrari is tuned, if Ferrari bolts on two superchargers (not turbos) or some tuning company like Novitec does it....you get the same result.

[Chaos in 1983!]

I´m sure we´ve already had this discussion here on JW...I remember clearly posting my opinion on this...

well I do think Ferraris are getting uglier... to me the most beautiful Ferrari ever is the 355...followed by the almighty 288GTO...the square shape apealed to me alot more than the more rounded one of todays ferraris...I´d take the 355 over the 360 in a heartbeat...

but I don´t think they have a problem...nor do they lack passion...I´m sure the 360, Enzo and 612 have so much passion put in them as older Ferraris...and they are still amazing cars...I do think the Enzo deserves it´s name...it´s an astonishing machine...

One more thing I´d like to point out....I´m sure if I ask my little brother to choose between the 355 and the 360, I´m sure he´ll say he likes the 360 way better...just like if you ask your father what he likes better, older ferrais or newer, I´m sure most wil say older...opinions change with age also...most of us grew up admiring the squared shaped Ferraris...newer generations will grow up admiring the current styling cues...

The bottom line is...Ferraris will ALWAYS be beautiful, and made with passion...boys, young men and old men will stop and dream of them...

[DMbaseball1604]

That is true...I agree

[No.1]

F40 is much different then the Enzo. 612 much different then the 456. The 355 is much different then the Modena. In my opinion of course.

F40 --> F50 --> Enzo... ther is a slight trend as the design gets more extreme and influenced by F1 cars. (the front of the Enzo is very similar to the F50) :)

456 --> 612... there is more than a resemblence. The profiles of the cars are very similar, with a typically long nose, rear-heavy design. Thats just my opinion though.. :wink:

Yes, you are right. The design is unfluned by F1 cars. But they still look nothing alike IMO. The F50 sorta of looks like an Enzo. But the F40 looks completley different from the Enzo. I don't see the 456-612 resemblence. Profile yes. But the tailight's, rear and front are so much different. In my opinion.

Here we go... 456 and 612 resemblance. :wink:

http://highresautoimages.com/ferrari/6123.jpg

http://highresautoimages.com/ferrari/4568.jpg

[Tomerville]

I still prefer the F355 Anyday to a Modena...I think they are getting ugly.

[bobafett]

Dingo: variety is what makes the world go round. Book me an appointment with your optometrist! :D

--Dan

[dingo]

lol........will do, he comes highly recommended, should have you fixed up in no time. :D

[PATo355]

I think the 612 is plain gorgeous , it grew on me too , first i thought it was just ok , now i think its gr8 , and i thought as Chaos about the 355 and 360 till like 1 month ago , now i prefer the 360 , the looks will grow on you , of course if they are the most desirable cars in the world , just like the Enzo , at first most ppl didnt like it a lot ... I love all ferraris , all of them ... exept the mondial and other one cant remember the number with is ugly as shit .


http://i8.ebayimg.com/01/a/01/d6/4c/05_1.JPG
http://i22.ebayimg.com/01/i/01/c4/41/ec_1.JPG

[bobafett]

lol........will do, he comes highly recommended, should have you fixed up in no time. :D

:D :P

--Dan

[noliebro]

I like that ferrari changes its styling, because times change and styles that are popular change. Back when the F355 was released that styling was popular now sleak lines are in style. I prefer ferrari's styling over porsche which has been producing the same car with different names and slightly different looks since I can remember.

[nthfinity]

i love the looks of the Murcialago, too!
can you find one (ok, mabey not including russian autos) automobile today that looks like they almost always have?
even the retro styling that ford has put into play(ford gt, ford mustang) just remind us of the way they used to look; perhaps tho, the ford gt is one of the timeless shapes we have come to love.
every era has cirtain design ques.....
20's stage coach like
40's long hoods, huge curves
60's begining of purpose shaped designs- long hoods, angled glass etc.
70-80's saw the beginning of the box era
90's saw a return of curves, but this time its much more a gradient, and buble like, cars are beginning to be designed with wind tunnel testing

i know those arent all true in every circuimstance, but its just kinda general. cars change; do we like the change? sometimes, others we dont

are new Ferrari's amazingly beautiful? yes
are old Ferrari's the same? yes
but within that, some are timeless, even if we dont recognize it initially :)

[sau_mathur]

Personally, the first time I saw the 612, I thought it was pretty average. But its still an absolute beast of a machine, and i think as someone mentioned before, the looks grow on you, and I must say they have certainly on me.

The Enzo, i reckon looks absolutely stunning. The formula1 style long noce at the front, and ofcourse the massive v12 in the back..aaaaaaaahhH!!!!

With the new ferraris, they have a modern design, and technology. The way they accelerate and break..just keeps on improving. So yes..i am a fan of the 360 even, more than the 355 that is.

U just have to move with the times I say!!!!!!

[No.1]

new ferraris...The way they accelerate and break..just keeps on improving


They sure do break often, god damn poor reliability...but i have also heard that the way they lose speed whilst braking is phenomenal
:wink:

[5.7 V10]

F40 is much different then the Enzo. 612 much different then the 456. The 355 is much different then the Modena. In my opinion of course.

F40 --> F50 --> Enzo... ther is a slight trend as the design gets more extreme and influenced by F1 cars. (the front of the Enzo is very similar to the F50) :)

456 --> 612... there is more than a resemblence. The profiles of the cars are very similar, with a typically long nose, rear-heavy design. Thats just my opinion though.. :wink:

Yes, you are right. The design is unfluned by F1 cars. But they still look nothing alike IMO. The F50 sorta of looks like an Enzo. But the F40 looks completley different from the Enzo. I don't see the 456-612 resemblence. Profile yes. But the tailight's, rear and front are so much different. In my opinion.

Here we go... 456 and 612 resemblance. :wink:

http://highresautoimages.com/ferrari/6123.jpg

http://highresautoimages.com/ferrari/4568.jpg

The profile/shape i can see a resemblance. But here's where i can't. The direct front.

http://www.fast-autos.net/ferrari/456m2.jpg

http://www.highresautoimages.com/ferrari/612.jpg

[cooperluke]

I think is just the result of the natural evolution that all cars have... not only ferraris.

Probably your grandfather also would say that the 355 isn't a Ferrari because it doesn't resembles the design of the first ones!

[No.1]

THE GRILL!!!!! :wink:

http://www.fast-autos.net/ferrari/456m2.jpg

http://www.highresautoimages.com/ferrari/612.jpg

[Zonda11]

The 355 soft top in yellow has always been my fav.

[JiggaStyles09]

i personally think that the new ferraris are wonderful, and yes i would take a 360 over a 355 anyday. Not only the design but it performes better. The obvious fact is that these cars have to evolve and i believe that the evolutions that they have made are great. I mean if you dont like the 360 or 612 or enzo then what should have come out instead of them? Sure its possible to evolve in the wrong direction but i really dont think that these new ferraris have done any injustices to their predicessors.

[callen]

all ferraris are beautiful albeit not in the same way.... they all reflect their times when they were in production. i prefer a more shapely ferrari (360) to a sqaure one (400) any day. its all a matter of natural prgression reflecting attitude of the times. and who cares who designs the car, if the boys in modena think he is good enuf to clothe thier cars then the designer is good enuf for me too. Id gladly take any ferrrari any fucking day of the week. stop bitching.

[abbor]

I actually like the 612. It's different, that's true, but you need to do something different to keep life in the sales...
And you can see that it's a Ferrari, if not by the curves, the stailing horse is a good sign that it is actually a Ferrari....

[Caps8419]

i like the 360 i dont like the 355... enzo's ok... the 1984 gto is the best..... my cousin has one so i get to see it up close.. its a beautiful car....

[ice]

I always get a laugh when i hear people say that the 355 looks more like a Ferrari then a 360. It is the complete opposite. The 355's lines were too sharp, too straight. The 360(infinitely more beautiful if you ask me) has curves, it evokes memories of 308's and Dino's, while the 355 reminds me of the disgusting mondial and the somewhat allright 348. The 550/575 is among the most beautiful cars in current production, yet still falls short of the 360.

And although it may appear to be the opposite, the lineage of ultra exotics started by the 288 GTO has remained very constant throughout each succesive model. The theme, ultimate performance, pushes the current design abilities to their max. The 288 was the fastest of its time, the most advanced aero it could have possesed. The F40 took it that much further, more so an evolution then a complete redesign, yet it again pushed performance design to its limits. The F50, arguably the most sophisticated machine of its time(combining aero, an incredible engine and the most race like suspension setup possibly, my personal choce as the epotime of Ferrari's) continued the theme of the maximum, and the Enzo follows that without need of explanation.

ferrai has remained constant in all area's but one, the cars are not like they were before, race cars on the weeknd and drivers during the week. Truly, the last great is my own i believe(with the exception of the ultra cars), the BiBi 512.

No matter how you cut it, Ferrari's are beautiful. Unlike Lambo's, which I believe rely on shocking and bold designs which eventually become ugly(the exception is the Muira), Ferrari makes timeless cars for the ages. They are passion on wheels, utilizing refinement and elegance, power and finesse.

[sads]

Think about all cars change from generation to generation of course the 288 GTO dosnt look like the Enzo theres over 30 years of change there. Morgan is the only car maker i can think of who have kept the same basic shape/design through there entire production (plus who would drive one anyway?)

[Gallardo_lover]

I really don't like the new 612, I think it's a departure from ferraris racing heritage... At least the 456 still looked attractive and had beautiful lines. The 612 looks like Chris Bangle from BMW got invlolved in it's design. To be honest I expected so much more from Ferrari and am dissapointed. This car may be aimed at an older market but thats no reason to make it ugly! :?

[peacenriot69]

I must need an eye exam also , although i prefer the gallardo's side vent scoup more so than the murcielago, but in regards to the Ferrari, The F-40 is used as a measuring tool against the subsequent models, the only reason i think is because its the last car Enzo designed himself, just remember Enzo himself told a reporter once that the most beautiful Ferrari is the next one being made. The Enzo model is a very visually shocking car i think its beautiful it is definitly influenced by F-1 Design where Ferrari's grew up, On the track. I although am not a huge fan of more sleek designed ferraris i think they are getting a little to rounded out. I like the f-40 and 50 designs they are more rigid and the lines are more menacing, but once again like anything opinions are like assholes everyone has one

and they usually stink

[ludwig14]

well you cant say that a company is loosing style because todays buyer is shopping for their money they dont just go for the name any more... look at austin martin look at lambo... the more you keep your cars looking the same the less you sell, and you can only over price your name by so much and then the compeditor will take over when you go too far. i agree with some of the things you (artypossum) said, but im attending school on car design and believe it or not the thing that companys do when they want ideas is hire a class to their design and the new gen of designers go with the trends. from whative learned about ferrari is that the grill and the round tail lights, and if you look at the evelution of the company they have stayewd with in the guide lines of the design...

http://www.fast-autos.net/ferrari/ferrari.html

but the funny thing is the best that ferrari has done is with the new style, i mean the 360 has outsold the 355 and the enzio has more demand then the f50 or the f40... in my opinion the company is moving forward and so are the times

[bobafett]

I think people still buy Ferrari for the name. No question that the heritage and mystique play a *huge* role, plus the poseurs buy for the name.

Point in case: a friend of mine was looking to purchase an existing Ferrari dealership license (rare and $$$$), and when rebuffed, was offered the same for Lamborghini/Aston/Bentley - he flatly refused the second one, as with even the new products on the move and the Bentley Conti GT supposedly going to do well, the numbers still didn't add up.

--Dan

[spyd3rr]

one word: evolution

look what happened to mustangs. now they're making an ultra-retro version to make up for it. i don't think Ferrari needs to do that.

personally, i love the way the new Ferraris look. its ok to lose some family resemblance as long as each restyle isn't too dramatic.