Gallardo Police Car

[Jabba]

I have been away for a few days and I hope I am the first to post this exclusive.

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/9892/gallardo1.jpg

[jon_s]

Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmm NO! second time re-posted lol!

I can hear TT running to lock this down! :P

[No.1]

LOL :lol:

You must be joking... do a search... about five other posts contain this news
:wink:

[TT]

HAHAHAHA FUCK!

[Jabba]

LOL :lol:

You must be joking... do a search... about five other posts contain this news
:wink:

How do you do a search ?

[TT]

Newbie :P

[Jabba]

Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmm NO! second time re-posted lol!

I can hear TT running to lock this down! :P

Just a little joke for TT

[jon_s]

ok, you are a noob but there is a search button at the top of the page!

[No.1]

LOL :lol:

You must be joking... do a search... about five other posts contain this news
:wink:

How do you do a search ?

Oh well, you are such a n00b :roll:

[TT]

Yes since 5 min ago I was saying something about 10 topics related to that goddam car :D probably the re-post record ;)

[No.1]

Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmm NO! second time re-posted lol!

I can hear TT running to lock this down! :P

Just a little joke for TT

"Just a little joke".... more like to increase you post total :wink:

[jon_s]

Also, wrong section :roll: I am sure you will learn the ropes soon.

[Jabba]

hahahahhaah yes for sure....

[jon_s]

I am sure Geekdiggy will have something to say about this!

[No.1]

So, Jabba, when are you getting ADSL at your house... and what sped will it be :?:

[Jabba]

July 28th and 2MB/256K

[No.1]

July 28th and 2MB/256K

That's pretty fast, but another month and a half to wait :?

Why is it taking so long, is your exchange currently not enabled :?:

[Zonda11]

July 28th and 2MB/256K Is your area not wired or something?

[Jabba]

Yes they are having to upgrade the exchange...a long wait....but the most important thing is that I can get it.

[Zonda11]

What do you mean by exchange?

[Jabba]

They are called "telephone exchanges" here....I guess you might call them a communications centre or something.

[graywolf624]

They are called centeral office or telephone exchanges here as well. Basically they have to install what is called a dslam which allows processing of the dsl signal off the regular telephone lines. It sends the signal to the isp from there.

DSL works by runing at a frequency higher then that of normal telephone communications. Above 4k hz I believe. Albeit my memory may be fuzzy. It has been a while. You must be within 18000 feet of a telephone exchance/co with the proper hardware for adsl to work.

[Jabba]

How long does it really take....??? As far as I know they started work at the end of March and July 28th sure does seem along time...I guess it depends on how big the exchange is and how much it needs upgrading though ???

[Anonymous]

Its a bit ironic, you live near london and you can't get broadband yet but in my town in dorset we've been able to get it for a couple of years- i think it has to reach certain trigger levels where there are enough people wanting it to justify the upgrade to the exchange.
Sadly my parents can't be persuaded to upgrade as i'm hardly ever home anyway :lol: but next year in our uni house hopefully we'll have NTL broadband shared wirelessly throughout the house- any plans to do this yourself jabba?

[Jabba]

My last house (about 5 miles away) was one of the first to be able to have it (around four years ago I think) but sadly I am more out in the countryside now and the exchange was only triggered at the end of March. I will be going for wireless networking when I can get around to sorting it out.

[TT]

Oh BTW about wireless broadband! By my mom finally after years they upgraded from a normal ISDN to a proper DSL... well still not that fast.. they were so exctited to get a DSL 256!! LOL they asked me how fast is mine and I told them it's 1200... but anyway, the did the whole wireless thing inthe house.. and it's a pretty big one, and still, you can take a laptop wherever you want, inside or outside, on the roof, in the back of the garden.. and you can surf perfectly... that's something supercool :D

[jon_s]

Look what I found on that cd Jabba:
http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/3036/lambo3.jpg

recognise it?

[Jabba]

Look what I found on that cd Jabba:
http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/3036/lambo3.jpg

recognise it?

Yes a bleeding Diablo (literally) :wink:

[Anonymous]

I'm hoping its not to difficult to sort out the wireless bit, i think you just need a router ( about £100) and a reciever for each computer, though of course nothing is ever straight forward!! :D Btw 2mbit sounds like being superfast we're probably gonna make do with 600k or 1mbit at the most between 3 of us :( (tight students!! :wink: )

[graywolf624]

How long does it really take....??? As far as I know they started work at the end of March and July 28th sure does seem along time...I guess it depends on how big the exchange is and how much it needs upgrading though ???

Not that long to setup the actual service. Simply place the line from a dslam to the isp and route in the telephone lines to the dslam. The biggest problem is usually getting the necessary hardware in place. A DSLAM is a pretty large server box usually.


I will be going for wireless networking when I can get around to sorting it out.

Make sure to go wireless g and setup proper security.

[Jabba]

I have done it before with three wireless network cards...(about £30 I think) no router, no server, just using ad hoc services and the computers "saw" each other first time.

[Anonymous]

I have done it before with three wireless network cards...(about £30 I think) no router, no server, just using ad hoc services and the computers "saw" each other first time.
Does that mean one comp has to be on all the time? cos that would probably mean me leaving my laptop on 24hours a day :lol: as i'll be the only one living downstairs in our house!

[graywolf624]

Does that mean one comp has to be on all the time? cos that would probably mean me leaving my laptop on 24hours a day as i'll be the only one living downstairs in our house!

Well you have a few choices. The best would be to run the wire into a router and send the internet out from that. This is very inexpensive, gives you nat, and an extra firewall. If we are just using computers then the computer with the internet connection has to remain up to send out the service.

[Jabba]

Yep couldnt have said it any better than that...and I leave everything on 24/7.

[Anonymous]

Cheers for the help guys thats far clearer than the information i've got from NTL's website!! :D i do have to switch my laptop off occasionly to cool it down when i've been doing intensive stuff like CAD, Video encoding etc it gets really hot and will sometimes actually switch itself off :lol: i think its because its got a desktop 2.8ghz P4 in it

[No.1]

Okay... this thread has been officially Hi-Jacked... :wink: :lol:

Whats all this business about ADSL, wireless internet and a 24/7 laptop :wink:

[PATo355]

Okay... this thread has been officially Hi-Jacked... :wink: :lol:

Whats all this business about ADSL, wireless internet and a 24/7 laptop :wink:


Yah hijacked , noobs that want to have more postcount ... well i am close to the 2000 post to im with da spam too :P




Btw AL123 a WiFi router can be found for 60 dollars , and that is about 30 Pounds , 100 pounds is a steal !!!

[Tomerville]

thats one police car I would't mind being pulled over by

[PATo355]

thats one police car I would't mind being pulled over by


That is why i wouldnt bother being a police :D

[Anonymous]

Okay... this thread has been officially Hi-Jacked... :wink: :lol:

Whats all this business about ADSL, wireless internet and a 24/7 laptop :wink:


Yah hijacked , noobs that want to have more postcount ... well i am close to the 2000 post to im with da spam too :P




Btw AL123 a WiFi router can be found for 60 dollars , and that is about 30 Pounds , 100 pounds is a steal !!!

Yeah heres some more thread hijacking for ya since it was a repost anyway its ok to hijack :P :twisted: Just been doing some research and your right about the prices NTL are trying to rip me off iMO i found numerous routers around the £40 mark!! nowhere near the £100 they were asking.

BTW i feel a total post whore today but i really needed that advice as i don't have a clue about networking!! :D

[PATo355]

BTW i feel a total post whore today but i really needed that advice as i don't have a clue about networking!! :D


Hahaha no problem this is like my 30th post today ... and ive just been here for an hour ... hehe

Try getting a B router , G´s are better but B´s are cheap right now , as for networking cards they should be arount 15 pounds

[graywolf624]

Hahaha no problem this is like my 30th post today ... and ive just been here for an hour ... hehe

Try getting a B router , G´s are better but B´s are cheap right now , as for networking cards they should be arount 15 pounds

I would argue that b's aren't even worth buying anymore. G's usually have better security encryption options, and they run up to 54 mbs versus 11mbs for b.

[Anonymous]

It would be good to have faster connections so we wouldn't have to burn cd's/ dvds but the b type would handle the 750k connection easily wouldn't it? anyway if they aren't much more expensive i'll get the faster type i can see the advantages given the amount of stuff we transfer currently like work- kazaa downloads etc

[No.1]

If you have a large hoiuse, or are going to be using the net at a distance fro mthe router (or even if your walls are thick), you will definately wan to have a G router. The higher speed will allow the broadband to run at its fastest... You will also be able to sell or give a connection to a neighbour... perhaps 128k for £20 a month.. a nice little earner :wink:

BTW - i am not an expert on this, so all of the above may be a load of crap, however, it is as accurate as possible :P

[Anonymous]

If you have a large hoiuse, or are going to be using the net at a distance fro mthe router (or even if your walls are thick), you will definately wan to have a G router. The higher speed will allow the broadband to run at its fastest... You will also be able to sell or give a connection to a neighbour... perhaps 128k for £20 a month.. a nice little earner :wink:

BTW - i am not an expert on this, so all of the above may be a load of crap, however, it is as accurate as possible :P

certainly not a large house its a student house :lol: i'm not sure how to sell some bandwidth but NTL are increasing the speed you get for £25 to 750k so that would be a very nice earner. cheers for the advice i'll investigate the prices

[No.1]

cretainly not a large house its a student house :lol: i'm not sure how to sell some bandwidth but NTL are increasing the speed you get for £25 to 750k so that would be a very nice earner. cheers for the advice

I'm on 600k NTL at the moment... i knew about the upgrade to 750k, but do you know when it is going to happen??? BTW - i could get 1.5Mbit from them at £38 when these upgrades happen 8)

[Anonymous]

cretainly not a large house its a student house :lol: i'm not sure how to sell some bandwidth but NTL are increasing the speed you get for £25 to 750k so that would be a very nice earner. cheers for the advice

I'm on 600k NTL at the moment... i knew about the upgrade to 750k, but do you know when it is going to happen??? BTW - i could get 1.5Mbit from them at £38 when these upgrades happen 8)


it say's summer on the web so by the time i get it the speed should be 750k 1.5mbit sounds good but i think 750k is adequate for our needs

BTW I REALLY am a post whore today!! :lol: to much timem on my hands when i should be revising!!

**EDIT** I think Jabba should rename this thread hijacked for advice to AL about wireless networking!!! :lol: I'm so bad at doing that!!

[PATo355]

Yes i agree the G is faster man , but for a Student house you dont need to much security , and 11mb will do it for a 750k connection , right ? even for transferring files from PC to pc , or burning Cd{s from the other Computer

[Zonda11]

Oh BTW about wireless broadband! By my mom finally after years they upgraded from a normal ISDN to a proper DSL... well still not that fast.. they were so exctited to get a DSL 256!! LOL they asked me how fast is mine and I told them it's 1200... but anyway, the did the whole wireless thing inthe house.. and it's a pretty big one, and still, you can take a laptop wherever you want, inside or outside, on the roof, in the back of the garden.. and you can surf perfectly... that's something supercool :D
I have had a wireless network for years -- and In fact,,, I am on the roof right now. :D :D Seems to be working fine!

[graywolf624]

you dont need to much security

I beg to differ. Everyone in your house can use your internet if you dont setup that security right. They can also read everything you do. So lets see.. a) they can hack the white house or anyone else from your account and your liable(been there, my school actually banned wifi points in schools). b) they know every type of porn you look at, and all your passwords that are not encrypted.

Yeah.. security isn't needed.. feel free to tell the fbi that when they come knockin.

*You may think I'm exagerating, but I have seen it happen. Being a information security specialist, I would advise at very least setting up to be more difficult then the value of data you are transmitting. That point would be most likely wpa encryption, however you'd be a fool to not at least run wep.

[Anonymous]

you dont need to much security

I beg to differ. Everyone in your house can use your internet if you dont setup that security right. They can also read everything you do. So lets see.. a) they can hack the white house or anyone else from your account and your liable(been there, my school actually banned wifi points in schools). b) they know every type of porn you look at, and all your passwords that are not encrypted.

Yeah.. security isn't needed.. feel free to tell the fbi that when they come knockin.

*You may think I'm exagerating, but I have seen it happen. Being a information security specialist, I would advise at very least setting up to be more difficult then the value of data you are transmitting. That point would be most likely wpa encryption, however you'd be a fool to not at least run wep.

UM lost :oops:
1 so can i set up different accounts so that each user (all 3 of us in the house) can't see everthing each person is doing- to be honest i'm not particurly bothered but my housemates may be, however we will still want to share stuff
2 what kind of security do i need to stop, or at least make it very hard for other people to access our connection/ computers. This is important because we don't want to loose any important work or have someone hijack our connection etc
3 what are the different types of encryption? wpa/wep you mentioned

cheers to everyone for their help suggestions, i hope nobody minds how terribly off topic we've mangaed to get! :oops: :lol:

[graywolf624]

so can i set up different accounts so that each user (all 3 of us in the house) can't see everthing each person is doing- to be honest i'm not particurly bothered but my housemates may be, however we will still want to share stuff
2 what kind of security do i need to stop, or at least make it very hard for other people to access our connection/ computers. This is important because we don't want to loose any important work or have someone hijack our connection etc
3 what are the different types of encryption? wpa/wep you mentioned

In general you can't setup different accounts for each user but each user gets their information sent seperatly. The problem occurs in that people can sniff the packets as they fly through the air and if they aren't encrypted, read them. The people you have given access can sniff each others packets... but they won't automatically get everyone elses stuff. The security you want to start with is disabling ssid broadcast(itd make sense if you have the router), set up wep or wpa encryption(encrypts the channel so it cant be read or used by others), make a access list only allowing certain mac addresses to access your network(allow all the computers to connect to the router.. then copy the routers list of mac addys into which mac addys are allowed access). In these ways they have to crack wep/wpa, figure out your ssid, and spoof your mac addy to get onto your network.

Types of encryption.
There are 2 standards currently. The older more widly accepted is wep.
Given an 30 mins to an hour of sniffing packets someone can use your account.
The second is wpa, which to my knowledge has not been cracked. Remember to choose a reasonably long non human readable password using non human readable charachters(use the alt and numbers keys to write unreadable charachters)

[graywolf624]

To clarify.. sniffing..
All messages are transported through the air. Anyone can intercept the messages. The encryption uses a key to make the signal unreadable to people without the key. The wep encryption standard has a flaw in this encryption algorithm which makes it easier to crack. Given this key and the right software, or enought time to crack the wep, or lack of use of said encryption.. a person can read what goes over the system and masquerade as a computer on the system.

[Anonymous]

Cheers Graywolf i think i understand now at leat the principles and as you say i'll probably understand more once i have the router and everthing, thanks to al for their help and advice :D

[graywolf624]

Ok I do want to add one thing to what I said.
The one person above asked about individual accounts and charging for access. This advice doesn't apply to al and I wouldn't suggest he go this route, but there is an alternative. It is called virtual private networking or VPN. The idea is the computer creates a virtual or software based network over the preexisting wireless network. It does its own encryption, access control, ect. all run through its own program seperate from the network. This is the ultimate in security, in most of the algorithms used if you use a reasonable password they are uncrackable. They also allow for each user to have their own account. The issue is that for home use(non work use) these setups aren't really reasonable. Basically the vpn programs have to be running on all computers accessing the network(cpu cycles on each computer), you have to get ahold of a trusted program(There is one open source version, openvpn, but I am unsure if it available for pc. Otherwise your buying one), and lastly they aren't easy to setup. In the long run the wpa encryption reaches the point of reasonable stops as long as you have trusted people who access your network and cycle your passwords occassionaly(you should be cycling passwords for every application you ever use).

[a007apl]

:roll:
http://www.motorworld.net/forum/showthread.php?p=159850#159850

[graywolf624]

see.. the title just says galarado.. We are talking about wifi here.. It's a plot to hide the discussion.

[Anonymous]

Lol i think he mised a couple of pages but we'll let him off as its his birthday- this has got to be the most off topic discussion ever i'm actually quite proud :lol: :P

[Zonda11]

How long would it take to crack 128 bit encryption using a program. I have heard of some programs that are ablr to do this!

[No.1]

How long would it take to crack 128 bit encryption using a program. I have heard of some programs that are ablr to do this!

I'm not sure if we want to be talking about hacking things... :wink: This is car forum, and besides, it's got to be illegal right :wink:

[graywolf624]

"How long would it take to crack 128 bit encryption using a program. I have heard of some programs that are ablr to do this!"

That depends on the algorithm. 128 bit by itself means nothing for security. The algorithm behind it is what drives the system. Basically encryption works by a one way function that is hopefully unreversable without a key. A good example of this would be reverse log arithmic functions or modulous. Where the length of the key comes in(128 bit) is the length of time it takes to hack a good algorithm by brute force is extended the longer the key.. Also the makeup of the key itself is important. It can't be words or anything that would be found in a dictionary.. You could use a dictionary attack.

The problem is that some numskulls either use easy dictionary word keys or come up with algorithms that make decryption easier because of flaws(perhaps breaking the key up into smaller pieces.. which is one example of a poor method windows previously used with the lanman protocal allowing nt authentication to be hackable).

Hacking other peoples websites and things are illegal. Hacking encryption algorithms and such from your home machine in order to write papers on their vulnerabilities is perfectly legal.. so long as you reasonably make an effort to notify the owners of the algorithm before release of the paper.

[graywolf624]

There are multiple ways to hack an encryption algorithm.
The first are brute force.. You just continue to guess keys till you get one to work.
You can use things like dictionary words to speed this process up. This is where the length and makeup of the password are most important.

The next is to break the algorithm. This usually happens less often. I believe they managed to break the algorithms based on the napsack problem(look it up. Im not 100 percent sure but I think they have).


The final is to take a known clear text(clear text being what you want to encrypt), encrypt it with the algorithm using the unknown key.
Then use trial and error of plugging different keys with the clear text until they match.

[No.1]

^^^ man.. you know a lot. :shock:

I ca see you have also been on JW for a long time, but you never use the [EDIT] function when you post one after the other :wink: No offence, but above you could have merged them with an edit. :)

[graywolf624]

man.. you know a lot.

I have a bachelors in computer science specializing in networking. That included classes in security and telecommunications. I'm trying to start my career in information security.


No offence, but above you could have merged them with an edit

I generally avoid editing a thread unless it is minor gramatical changes or updates. editing to combine generally confuses people if you wait too long.

[Zonda11]

Thanks....I was just wondering seeing as I have 4 keys each 26 digits long.....using brute force i assume it would take a long time. If there are 36^104 possibilities (0-9 or a-z could be used in any of 104 slots and 0-9 or a-z can be repeated) This is if letter case does not matter.....but, if it does i fear that would make 62^104 possibilities!!

I would like to try to break into my own network to see how long brute force would take ---but i fear i would need a grid of computers all working to crack it. (Hackers 2 special)

[Jabba]

:roll:
http://www.motorworld.net/forum/showthread.php?p=159850#159850

It was a joke :P

[a007apl]

:wink: